Posted on 11/18/2005 11:31:04 AM PST by Reagan Man
House Republicans sought a showdown Friday with Democrats on a proposal by one of their most senior members to force an end to the U.S. deployment of troops in Iraq.
Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., offered the resolution demanding a pullout. The GOP-run House was expected to reject it _ and make a prominent statement about where Congress stands on Iraq _ as the chamber scurried toward a Thanksgiving break.
"We'll let the members debate it and then let them vote on it," said Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the acting majority leader.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's office had no immediate comment.
Murtha, a well-respected Vietnam veteran who voted for the Iraq war, called for the immediate withdrawal of troops Thursday, intensifying the already red-hot debate on Capitol Hill over President Bush's war policies.
Murtha's resolution would force the president to withdrawal the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest predictable date."
Most Republicans oppose Murtha's plan, and even some Democrats have been reluctant to back his position. Republicans were seeking to force Democrats to stand with the respected 30-year congressman or go on the record against his proposal.
Some members of the House and Senate, looking ahead to off-year elections next November, are publicly worrying about a quagmire there. They have been staking out new positions on the war that has grown increasingly unpopular with the American public, resulted in more than 2,000 U.S. military deaths and cost more than $200 billion.
The House move comes just days after the GOP-controlled Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal. Spotlighting mushrooming questions from both parties about the war, though, the chamber then approved a statement that 2006 should be a significant year in which conditions are created for the phased withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency," Murtha, a longtime hawk on foreign and military affairs issues, said Thursday. "They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence. The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion."
A day after his comments, a U.S. field commander in Iraq countered the position of the usually pro-military congressman.
"Here on the ground, our job is not done," said Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team, when asked about Murtha's comments during a weekly briefing that American field commanders routinely give to Pentagon reporters.
Speaking from a U.S. logistics base at Balad, north of Baghdad, two days before his scheduled return to Texas, Brown said: "We have to finish the job that we began here. It's important for the security of this nation."
Republicans pounced, chastising Murtha for advocating what they called a strategy of surrender and abandonment, and Democrats defended Murtha as a patriot, even as they declined to back his view.
"I won't stand for the swift-boating of Jack Murtha," Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, responded Friday. Also a Vietnam veteran, Kerry was dogged during the campaign by a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that challenged his war record.
"There is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience," Kerry said.
For his part, Kerry has proposed a phased exit from Iraq, starting with the withdrawal of 20,000 troops after December elections in Iraq. A Kerry spokesman said "he has his own plan" when asked if Kerry agreed with immediate withdrawal.
As a Vietnam veteran and top Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee with close ties to many military officers, Murtha carries more credibility with his colleagues on the issue than a number of other Democrats who have opposed the war from the start.
Bush administration officials have been cautious in responding to Murtha.
"We have nothing but respect for Congressman Murtha's service to his country," White House communications director Nicolle Wallace told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "And I think he spoke from the heart yesterday. We happen to have a real serious policy disagreement with him."
Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, a 29-year Air Force veteran who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam for nearly seven years, called Murtha's position unconscionable and irresponsible. "We've got to support our troops to the hilt and see this mission through," he said.
With a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, Murtha retired from the Marine Corps reserves as a colonel in 1990 after 37 years as a Marine, only a few years longer than he's been in Congress. Elected in 1974, Murtha has become known as an authority on national security whose advice was sought out by Republican and Democratic administrations alike.
Anyone voting for immediate withdrawal is a tool of Jihad and Al Qaeda, and a traitor.
Agree!
Let the rats in Red states or semi red districts vote to pull out of Iraq, and they will be out of congress in 2007 after the elections.
The other day I was telling my daughter that Republicans are generally much better looking than Democrats and your post backs me up! LOL
ASA Vet and I have discussed this before.
Rats in the military are often not good for America while they are in and afterwards.
Rats in the military or in congress should never see any classified material beyond Confidential.
are you following this?
Please include me on that live thread, please please...
First you say we are "at war". Then you call it a "police action" (whatever the h*ll that is).
This is a war.
Glad to!
Do you have a live thread going? Please ping me to it. Thanks!
You are obviously a reasonable person who respects honesty and consistency. I hate to be a wet wad of t.p. here, but we are dealing with Democrats.
It is pathetic and vile, but we both know that the Democrats have no record. Any thing they say today means nothing tomorrow. (i.e. vote to make regime change official US policy, vote to use force to enact that policy, and then bitch that we used force to change regimes.)
Somebody- anybody- tell me now: How do we combat this? We have the truth on our side. We have the W.H., Senate, House, majority of state houses and governorships, as well as increased representation in news outlets on our side. How can these repugnant lies still be repeated by these america-haters? I know Rush would tell me to take heart, we are winning and I know that we have been and will continue, but why can't we shut their lying damn mouths???
Thank you.
“Cowards cut and run, Marines never do.”
— Rep. Jean Schmidt (R - OH) relaying a message from Colonel Danny Bubp on the floor of the House.
VIDEO HERE: http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/11/18/cowardsneverrun/
Actually that would be perfect. The Dems too cowardly to even vote. A 218-0 vote with the Democrats in hiding would create the perfect metaphor for the GWOT right now.
Bronze stars without the V device don't mean sh_t.
They're just a wartime MSM.
Let's roll it all!
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