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To: Cboldt

Here's the example from the text:

"a. When LIBBY spoke with Tim Russert of NBC News, on or about July 10, 2003:

i. Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and told LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and

ii. At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was surprised to hear that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;"

The question is: did Libby tell the DOJ that he was surprised to hear this info, or was he telling the DOJ that he told Russert he was surprised to hear the info? I haven't seen anything that shows the prosecutor understands that Libby was intentionally lying to reporters.

I don't know why you think my hypothetical isn't relevent. It is.


188 posted on 11/17/2005 10:24:58 AM PST by 1L
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To: 1L
First of all: Libby is charged "by his position" to keep secrets. I'd be surprised, too if I heard a question from a reporter regarding classified info. And I would do exactly what Libby did. Throw the ball back to the reporter without revealing that the info was classified.

How did that reporter "know enough" to ask the question. And yet, NOT ONE of these reporters contacted Joe himself or the Dem Party rather than the Whitehouse in seeking "the truth".

189 posted on 11/17/2005 10:38:12 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: 1L
I don't know why you think my hypothetical isn't relevent. It is.

Only because you make up a question that isn't asked in the indictment.

You cited paragraph 32.a., which describes Libby's testimony. Paragraph 33.a. expresses directly why your hypothetical isn't relevant, Libby is charged with making misleading statements to the GJ.

33. It was further part of the corrupt endeavor that at the time defendant LIBBY made each of the above-described materially false and intentionally misleading statements and representations to the grand jury, LIBBY was aware that they were false, in that:

a. When LIBBY spoke with Tim Russert of NBC News on or about July 10, 2003:

i. Russert did not ask LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, nor did he tell LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and

ii. At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was well aware that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA; in fact, LIBBY had participated in multiple prior conversations concerning this topic, including on the following occasions:

  • In or about early June 2003, LIBBY learned from the Vice President that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA in the Counterproliferation Division;
  • On or about June 11, 2003, LIBBY was informed by a senior CIA officer that Wilson's wife was employed by the CIA and that the idea of sending him to Niger originated with her;
  • On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was informed by the Under Secretary of State that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;
  • On or about June 14, 2003, LIBBY discussed "Joe Wilson" and "Valerie Wilson" with his CIA briefer, in the context of Wilson's trip to Niger;
  • On or about June 23, 2003, LIBBY informed reporter Judith Miller that Wilson's wife might work at a bureau of the CIA;
  • On or about July 7, 2003, LIBBY advised the White House Press Secretary that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;
  • In or about June or July 2003, and in no case later than on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;
  • On or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY advised reporter Judith Miller of his belief that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA; and
  • On or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY had a discussion with the Counsel to the Office of the Vice President concerning the paperwork that would exist if a person who was sent on an overseas trip by the CIA had a spouse who worked at the CIA;
The question is: did Libby tell the DOJ that he was surprised to hear this info, or was he telling the DOJ that he told Russert he was surprised to hear the info? I haven't seen anything that shows the prosecutor understands that Libby was intentionally lying to reporters.

The prosecutor says Libby was lying to investigators and to the GJ.

Maybe you can explain the relevance you see in an allegation that Libby was lying to reporters. Lying to reporters is not illegal. The charge, in a conclusory fashion as stated by the prosecutor, is lying to investigators and the GJ. That is what the words in the indictment say.

190 posted on 11/17/2005 10:55:55 AM PST by Cboldt
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