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Intelligent Design Grounded in Science
CBN ^ | November 2005 | By Gailon Totheroh

Posted on 11/13/2005 6:07:54 AM PST by NYer

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To: Liberty Wins
Piltdown Man...

One fake from 1912.

... Nebraska Man...

One innocent misinterpretation from 1922 and caught almost at once.

... Ramapithecus...

Real species, no longer considered in the human lineage but still thought ancestral to orangutans.

... and Australopithecus.

Still the likeliest candidate of its time to carry the human lineage. Intergrades with chimp-like creatures (Sahelanthropus, for example) at the old end and the hominids at the young end of its fossil range.

...recognized as hoaxes or mistakes.

Is your post a hoax or a mistake?

181 posted on 11/13/2005 11:26:57 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Which one? Surely not Groucho!
182 posted on 11/13/2005 11:27:45 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: JNL

its somewhat like a trainwreck. (you just can't help but look)

True and entertaining as heck too.


183 posted on 11/13/2005 11:27:46 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

Thanks for making me laugh out loud at the worst pun I have heard in a long time.


184 posted on 11/13/2005 11:28:43 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: edsheppa

Math Magic Mumbo Jumbo Alert!

Read for yourself what MathWorld has to say about GIT and transfinite induction.

And any way, the reason to even bring this up is that there is no magical proof machine that can be constructed to prove these statements (EVO,ID,stone soup,etc.), and so will rely on some Human to say otherwise.

Gee, that sounds just like a form of Intelligent Design...


185 posted on 11/13/2005 11:28:54 AM PST by nanomid
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To: VadeRetro
"Is your post a hoax or a mistake?"

Now you're being cruel. Are you picking on me because I don't want to claim a chimp as a relative?

186 posted on 11/13/2005 11:32:48 AM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: escapefromboston

Thanks for making me laugh out loud at the worst pun I have heard in a long time.

That one was pretty mild. I come up with some of the dumbest ones you'll ever hear. I often have to explain them too (because only I often have the stupidity to understand them). One of the worst was when I was talking to someone on here and we somehow got on the subject of Bill Clinton and fool's gold. I said that they ought to just throw the pyrite at his face. I got quite a few groans out of that one.


187 posted on 11/13/2005 11:35:10 AM PST by moog
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To: Liberty Wins

I don't want to claim a chimp as a relative?

My uncle Cheetah was a pretty nice guy you know:).


188 posted on 11/13/2005 11:36:13 AM PST by moog
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To: Liberty Wins
1) Funny how most of the most strident advocates are all connected with one church or another.
2) They are being disingenuous at best to propose some unseen hand has guided the creation and modification of life on earth, then backpedal and say 'no idea of a mechanism, no opinion of the nature of the creator, no implications of divinity'.
3) Any "theory" that lacks any evidence is automatically faith based. :^)

Please do not represent ID as being "faith-based," and we can all get along in a calmer atmosphere.

Of course. If everyone would just stop exposing the flaws, deceptions and misreprentations of ID, things would be so much more peaceful.

189 posted on 11/13/2005 11:38:58 AM PST by blowfish
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To: moog
Those PTU's can get pretty hot. Hmm, adds nothing...yet non-sequitur...

Moog, Troll, D+

190 posted on 11/13/2005 11:39:05 AM PST by nanomid
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To: Liberty Wins
Are you picking on me because I don't want to claim a chimp as a relative?

I don't see you dealing with not having your facts straight. Did you get them from a Jack Chick comic?

191 posted on 11/13/2005 11:39:46 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Actually, the Scientific community today, is reacting to ID the way the Religious community reacted to a round earth eons ago.

I disagree with you. There is truth to both theories and both should be taught. If ID is as bogus as you say, it will be victorious in the end.

192 posted on 11/13/2005 11:42:03 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Students deserve a choice!)
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To: VadeRetro
Intergrades with chimp-like creatures (Sahelanthropus, for example) at the old end and the hominids at the young end of its fossil range.

"Genus Homo" was meant. Of course, Australopithecus IS a hominid.

193 posted on 11/13/2005 11:42:11 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: nanomid

Hmm, adds nothing...yet non-sequitur...

Thank you for the nice term. I appreciate it. D+?????????????????--that's a little too high for it I think.


194 posted on 11/13/2005 11:42:36 AM PST by moog
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To: VadeRetro
Nebraska Man

"One innocent misinterpretation from 1922 and caught almost at once."

The mistake of Nebraska Man was "caught" in 1927. It was a single tooth from a peccary (extinct pig).

They made an interesting use of it. They showed it at the Scopes "Monkey" trial in 1925 as irrefutable evidence of the animal ancestry of man. Since William Jennings Bryan was himself from the state of Nebraska, Osborn chided him about Nebraska man in the press:

"The earth spoke to Bryan from his own state of Nebraska. The Hesperopithecus tooth is like the still, small voice. It's sound is by no means easy to hear ----. This little tooth speaks volumes of truth, in that it affords evidence of mans descent from the ape".

195 posted on 11/13/2005 11:43:48 AM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: TAdams8591

Actually, the Scientific community today, is reacting to ID the way the Religious community reacted to a round earth eons ago.

And how many of them react to evolution today.


196 posted on 11/13/2005 11:44:11 AM PST by moog
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To: Liberty Wins

It was a single tooth from a peccary (extinct pig).

Peccaries are alive and well and actually aren't direct members of the pig family.


197 posted on 11/13/2005 11:45:59 AM PST by moog
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To: Coyoteman

That Homo hablilis (D) skull is from a goa 'uld or a tokra operative I think.


198 posted on 11/13/2005 11:47:22 AM PST by moog
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To: Liberty Wins
They made an interesting use of it. They showed it at the Scopes "Monkey" trial in 1925 as irrefutable evidence of the animal ancestry of man.

No, they didn't. The intended presentation by the defense was objected and sustained.

And you're only dealing with what you got (generously) "right." Deal with what you got wrong. You most egregiously mischaracterize Australopithecus by lumping it with a fake from 1912, a misinterpretation from 1922, and something that was once thought a possible human ancestor but reconsidered after more data came in.

199 posted on 11/13/2005 11:48:22 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Liberty Wins
... and Australopithecus.

IS YOUR POST A FAKE OR A HOAX?

200 posted on 11/13/2005 11:50:30 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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