http://www.alifeoffaith.com/AFA-AG.htm
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Posted on 11/04/2005 3:57:52 AM PST by Diago
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Okay so now I'm back :)
Thank you first for your kindness. hehe
You hit another thing for me -- Girl Scouts. My girls are in a scout troop that is part of a homeschooling group that is primarily Christian based.
With Girl Scouts, and now I think with American Girls, it's about what you put into it as a parent. The AG stories are amazing. Girl Scouts, well, we don't use the Studio2B materials in our program. *shrugs* You don't have to as a scout leader. No two troops are the same just as no two families are.
The thing is, look at the audience to which Girls Inc is focuses. It's not my white suburban kids with two parents at home. It's the inner city kids who aren't getting anything from anyone.
There has to be another solution than just boycotting a group, or a company. Another poster mentioned encouraging AG to encourage Girls Inc to add other messages to the repertoire. Messages about marraige and the like.
You catch more flies with honey . . .
Oh and btw, today I have been both thoroughly furious and thoroughly impressed with the FReepers I have chatted with. I looked, it's been 5.5 years since I found this place (at the Second Amendment Sisters counter rally), and for the most part I enjoy the debate.
I see your point about the liberal, leftist message. At the same time though, the girls they are focusing on are getting the message from those around them (in the cities) that they are worthless creatures. . stupid, ugly, whatever. A bit of empowerment for these girls might get us another Condi Rice. Give the kids some credit to be able to sort out truth from fiction, and believe in themselves. The girls they are focusing on NEED that kind of encouragement. They need something more than they are getting from their communities right now. Is there a solution? I don't know. But something has to give.
Way too many perfectly intelligent people, male and female, are being left in the inner cities to flounder.
This year is the 15th year of my life to have been a registered Girl Scout. I have yet to meet anyone in the organization (in the two states I've been involved) that promotes homosexuality. Our troop talks about the stars, their pets, camping, music, dancing, make up. . . little girl things. That's what mine did growing up too. The materials on drugs and other controversial things are resources, not requirements.
Anyhow, thanks again, we're doing lunch right now, so I may be around a bit more.
What kind of conservative talks about "rights that have been granted"? Who does this "granting" of rights? The only rights anyone has were not "granted" them by any human agency; they are given by God and you have them by virtue of being a human being.
Morality should not be legislated.
BZZT! Classic, bogus, liberal codephrase. Every law ever passed "legislates morality". Laws against theft legislate the morality of property owners against that of thieves. Laws against rape legislate the morality of potential rape victims against that of rapists. Laws against speeding legislate the morality of other motorists and pedestrians against that of speeders.
The "morality should not be legislated" line really means "I believe certain behaviors, usually involving sex, should not be prohibited by law". Fine, then make your case for that, but don't hide behind meaningless platitudes like "morality should not be legislated."
*ponders* tweens and pre-teens? What are you considering young? Our AG group in our homeschooling group (a little thing we have at Barnes and Noble) has I think a range of 7-13.
And what specifically in AG is promoting any of those things? Unless a child is told about the association they aren't going to have a clue.
Sorry, just thought of that point. My girls have NO idea that any of this controversy is going on. They play with their dolls and do their history.
This is exactly what we are trying to do, keep our young girls away from this “org” and make others aware of what they’re doing so they can also keep their young girls away as well.
I would rather learn about it, and be able to explain things to my children with a neutral opinion, and give them my opinion as well.
Again, this is exactly what we are trying to do. We want to explain these things to our young girls, not have an “org” advocating abortion and lesbianism bypass the parents and lobby for these things to our young girls.
Not if you do it in the bedroom, as I understand Griswold. It has something to do with Constitutional emanations, or emissions, or something.
This is exactly why I always do my taxes in the bedroom.
http://www.alifeoffaith.com/AFA-AG.htm
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Yeah, the Emancipation Proclamation was a real bummer, wasn't it?
This isn't the thread to make my case for that.
Rights that have been granted. . . women having the right to vote? *starts looking at the Constitution* Wouldn't the amendments basically be rights that have been granted? There are different kinds of rights, and different issues of morality and ethics.
Anyhow -- no this isn't the thread to make any kind of case for sexual rights or morality rights. But if you look back there are threads about swing clubs and any other number of issues about sexuality that are far more appropriate places to discuss those issues.
So fine, I'll stop calling it morality. I'll just start saying . . . whatever people do in private shouldn't be legislated? Better? Not. It stills comes down to Consenting Adults. Polygamy - fine but not with a 12 year old -- although then that could be a state's rights issue, no? What age does each state call their age of consent?
Everyone has their kink. Think of that next time you're at a conservative event. Take a look around. You never know where those people spend their private time. It just happens that most conservatives involved in alternate lifestyles are a bit more discreet about their actions than most liberals.
Like I said though, this really isn't the thread for this. I have plenty of other resources, statistics and information if you are interested, but privately, please. Or on another thread.
There is no easy answer. But the answer is NOT to add more crap to the books. More laws, on top of more laws that make no sense. It's just not the answer.
Why on earth does this keep coming back to slavery.
Rights as they exist right now.
*boggles*
I find this campaign patently ridiculous. Here you have a company that actually created dolls that look like little girls instead of hookers and the religious right pounces on them because they have donate support to a girls group.
Oh right, the girls group like many girls groups may also be offering information to the girls that abortion is legal,a and that well..lesbians exist. Well, I hate to break it to you...abortion is legal. General Motors also supports this group....are you going to boycott them too?
BTW, I've been to girls inc web page, clicked on some links and found I didnt' have the time to dig for the page with the abortion/lesbian stuff. It must be very secondary to what they're actually doing.
Own stock in the company, do ya'?
BTW, you may have read that a priest in Wisconsin cancelled a planned fundraiser involving American Girl dolls. But this parish has not yet cancelled its show:
http://www.licatholic.org/diocese/locals.htm
Long Island school and educational programs calendar
An American Girl Fashion Show will be held on Saturday and Sunday, November 5 and 6 at 11 a.m. and at 4 p.m. in Our Lady of Hope School, Middle Village, Queens. The show is co-sponsored by Our Lady of Perpetual Help School, Lindenhurst, and Our Lady of Hope School. The show will feature both historical and contemporary fashions. Proceeds will benefit the two schools. For tickets and information call Our Lady of Perpetual Help Parents Association, 631-884-2960.
Our Lady of Perpetual Help School, Lindenhurst 210 South Wellwood Avenue
Lindenhurst, NY 11757-4989
Rectory Telephone Number: 631-226-7725
Rectory Fax Number: 631-225-9597
Pastor: Rev. Monsignor Daniel S. Hamilton
I couldn't afford these for my girls and was plannning on getting them for my grand daughters.
Not anymore.
Never ever.
Even if they disassociate themselves from the radical feminists.
Maybe it has something to do with the state-sanctioned deprivation of the most basic, fundamental human right there is.
Your Jewish, and you celebrate Christmas. That just strikes me as odd. Also, you are not Pro-Life, you just don't care. It is like saying I personnally would'nt kill someone, but I will defend someone elses right to kill thier child.
Just because something's legal, doesn't make it morally right.
If your god is the state, it certainly does.
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Yes. I would most certainly agree. Excellent post.
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