Posted on 11/04/2005 3:57:52 AM PST by Diago
So that makes "who she is" perfectly fine, then? I'm sure you'd think the same way if your daughters turned out like your niece...
And get the gov't out of my doctors office, please?
You're a conservative? That is such a bedrock liberal, pro-abortion line. I think you need to reevaluate your ideological beliefs.
Oh, btw. Thanks for bumping this thread so many times. If you hadn't, I may not have seen it.
How am I leading anyone into a life of sin and misery?
I teach my own children that legally abortion is a right. And right now, it is. Do I like it, no? But you know what -- my children can THINK! One of them said to me, "momma that's killing a baby." Sometimes kids can figure things out on their own when you present the information to them.
I trust my children. We have raised them to think and be aware of the world around them. They are wonderful, sweet amazing little girls who rescue animals, friends, each other. They have been around newborns all their lives due to my volunteer work.
Read what I said -- I personally dislike abortion -- but what about going to the clinics and counseling? Don't take away the right, but help the girls in the situations. I have donated more money and resources to crisis pregnancy centers here over the years than I can count. But I don't think that legislation is the way to go.
I'm beginning to think that an opinion that differs, only gets the first few sentences of their post read. lol
If my daughters turned out like my niece I would still love them. And yes I am a conservative. Just not a Fundamentalist Christian.
How is not wanting the Gov't in my medical decisions liberal? I don't want socialized medicine. That's where we're heading if we go that route. Can't you see that?
How is thinking that MURDER is a "medical decision" a conservative view?
Some of us feel that it's just not appropriate for a toy company to involve itself in these controversial issues when their target customers are 7-10 year old girls. That's certainly the way that I see it.
Over the years, I have purchased 5 of these dolls, many outfits and accessories plus books and I was under the impression that this line of dolls represented what American girls have in common with each other, today and in past times.
There's way too much accomodation of evil in the world right now. You must have a very gracious homeschool group. I would have a very hard time letting my kids associate with yours what with your "normal" kids "questioning their sexual identity" etc... For me, it's not about "agree with your lifestyle" or finding acceptance for mine. There are plenty of people in the world for us to associate without each other having to countenance abominations we euphemistically call "rights" which either of us might hold.
So, this is my last post for now on this thread. I need to get my own children's school day started and do my own stats homework.
What I do want to say though before I go . .
Yes, I'm a conservative. Never voted anything but Republican in my life.
Yes, I'm a married woman. 14 years. Same man. Two children. Happy life.
Yes, I'm anti-socialized medicine. That is in fact what I was saying about keeping the gov't out of my doctor's office.
Yes, I'm pro-life. But how to explain -- Women will continue to get abortions. They did pre- Roe v. Wade and will do so after the fact. The answer isn't in the legislation, it's in EDUCATION. And counseling. And things along those lines. I admire the Crisis Pregnancy Centers -- I may not always agree with their methods but they are doing something and saving lives. But spending all this energy worrying about the law isn't going to change anything. Counsel the girls and woman, and leave the laws alone. The money and time and other resources can be better spent.
Yes, I love my children. If they came out as lesbians, I would still love them. Don't open this can of worms -- think Dick Cheney.
No, who my niece is, isn't always perfectly fine. But it has nothing to do with her sexuality. She's a royal pain in the arse most days, but that is just her.
Yes, I support the right to keep and bear arms.
No, I wouldn't have owned slaves.
Yes, I know the Holocaust happened.
Yes, I know that Judaism doesn't like homosexuality, but the act that is specifically forbidden is anal sex. That is what I was referring to. Each branch of Judaism has a slightly different view on this. Producing children is one mitzvah. It's one that a gay couple theoretically can't fulfill. There are lots of others they can and do fulfill.
So my last question, what happens to the Republican party if all the conservatives like me stop supporting it? By the private messages I've received (and wow I wish ALL of you would post here too), the really far right side would be standing in the cold, alone. This party is made up of a spectrum of beliefs. Please don't forget that. Sometimes compromise is necessary is it not?
Respect to all of you, and thank you for this morning's debate. This is my last bump for now (because as it was pointed out I've bumped this thread a lot LOL).
~twinzmommy
Nut.
Please explain? Assuming this was directed at me.
I guess part of the confusion (?) is the very nature of abortion itself. To see it as a right that could potentially be taken away is, in and of itself, an indication of how you feel about it. You either consider it the ending of a human life or you don't.
To me, an abortion is an abortion regardless of the reason for it be mistake in timing, rape or problem with the baby.
Since slavery came up, I suppose it is a similar idea. You either think it is acceptable or not, regardless of what the laws of the day may be. Thank God there are those who stood up to that heinous institution without worrying about whether the government was over stepping its boundries and taking away the right to own slaves.
My disappointment with AG in this situation and it's allignment with Girls Inc. is that neither AG nore GI offers an alternative. I too am all for a variety of information to have to discuss things with my kids but let's be honest, that is not where GI stands...they have a specific agenda and set of views...that they are entitled to have...but it is not a resource for balanced information.
Hell, I had to cross 5th ave in the middle of the gay pride parade to get to the AG store with my 12 year old and that provided lots of fodder for conversation an opportunity for an interesting lesson.
AG could have done a much better job choosing a non-agendized organization to partner with, or they could provide additional options.
To want to keep abortion legal, for whatever the reason, is to be pro-choice and you are entitled to that conclusion, you will find others on FR who agree....but that is what someone is who wants to keep the laws in place as they stand.
Could we get all nuanced about it? Sure....okay in cases of rape of danger to mom, but not if you are just sloppy, lazy or had bad luck. Okay up to 12 weeks but not after. There are lots of variations...the end result is always the same however, regardless of the motivation going in.
And they all ran away screaming at the thought that their children might be corrupted by something other than Christianity...
Your meaning was rather transparent, wasn't a real deep point.
Wrongheaded IMHO, lousy logic, but, your opinions are yours and you are of course entitled to hold them.
But of course, so are those who disagree with you.
Twinz,
Well, bravo for getting a spirited discussion up. See the second email I wrote to American Girl, below. I think that what I expressed is what a lot of people feel but are poorly articulating.
Many of us want to raise our girls traditionally, without the politics that infuses groups like the Girl Scouts. Some of us, including me, really detest the "jive" and "cool" attitudes that groups like the Girl Scouts, and Girls, Inc., embrace and promote. Another perspective is the notion of motherhood. Check out the Girls Inc website and you will not find one single mention of motherhood or marriage, but you will find the usual mention of empowerment, rights, etc. For us conservatives this is a liberal, leftist message.
I'll apologize for the rude and nasty comments you've received. Freepers deserve better.
****** Letter to American Girl
Great letter.
later pingout.
How simple can it be!
There is a time and a place for everything. Most of us buy American Girl products for our young girls.
I don't want anyone advocating abortion and lesbianism to my young daughter.
If American Girl products were aimed at older girls, this might be appropriate, but not for young girls.
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