[John Robertson]

This subject is NOT about abortion.

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It's about a 1.5 million alternative to abortion. Which appears something you don't want to admit. In a perfect world all children would be born with a married mother and father, sadly, we don't live in a perfect world, and calling the innocents bastards is harsh.

[Lorianne]

The thread is not about abortion, but unilaterally shaming women (and children) for unwed procreation is how we got in this abortion quagmire to begin with.

If BOTH parents were socially and legally expected to support and raise the children they co-create, we would not see such high abortion rates, nor would we we see so many unmarried parents.

If, as a parent, one were expected and required to support and care for a child he/she begets, what is the point of remaining unmarried? Both parents would realize it will be easier to pull together than to support/raise the child separately.

Creating a child creates OBLIGATIONS on the parentS to the child. We need to revamp our social and legal systems to this reality. Going back to an earlier unilateral shaming system which backfired and which was socially unjust to children isn't the answer. Or in the words of a pretty bright guy ...

"The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." ___ Albert Einstein