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Brazilians reject proposed gun ban
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | October 23, 2005 | PETER MUELLO

Posted on 10/23/2005 10:21:23 PM PDT by neverdem

ASSOCIATED PRESS

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- Brazilians soundly rejected a proposal to ban the sale of guns in a national referendum Sunday, striking down the bid to stem one of the world's highest firearm murder rates following a campaign that drew parallels to the U.S. gun control debate.

Brazil has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, but a staggering 25 percent more gun deaths at nearly 40,000 a year. While supporters argued that gun control was the best way to staunch the violence, opponents played on Brazilians' fears that the police can't protect them.

"I don't like people walking around armed on the street. But since all the bandits have guns, you need to have a gun at home," said taxi driver Mohammed Osei, who voted against the ban.

With more than 92 percent of the votes counted, 64 percent of Brazilians were opposed to the ban, while 36 percent backed it, said election officials, giving the 'no' position an insurmountable lead.

The proposal would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition except for police, the military, some security guards, gun collectors and sports shooters. It would complement a 2003 disarmament law that sharply restricts who can legally purchase firearms and carry guns in the street.

That law, coupled with a government-sponsored gun buyback program, has reduced deaths from firearms by about 8 percent this year, the Health Ministry said.

But the referendum backfired for proponents. Earlier this year, support for the ban was running as high as 80 percent. But in the weeks before the referendum, both sides were granted free time to present their cases on prime-time TV, and the pro-gun lobby began to grow.

Analysts said the pro-gun lobby benefited from equal time on television in the final weeks of the campaign and that they cannily cashed in on Brazilian skepticism of the police.

"They ask the question: 'Do you feel protected and do you think the government is protecting you?' and the answer is a violent no," said political scientist David Fleischer of the University of Brasilia.

The combination of Brazil's high gun-death rate and the nature of the debate over the right to gun ownership has drawn parallels to the gun debate in the United States.

"The whole campaign (against the ban) was imported from the United States. They just translated a lot of material from the NRA," said Jessica Galeria, a Californian who researches gun violence with the Viva Rio think tank, referring to the National Rifle Association. "Now, a lot of Brazilians are insisting on their right to bear arms, they don't even have a pseudo right to bear arms. It's not in their Constitution."

NRA public affairs director Andrew Arulanandam called the proposal's defeat "a victory for freedom."

"It's a stunning defeat for the global gun control movement. They poured millions of dollars and millions more man hours trying to enact this gun ban and they failed. The aim of this gun ban movement was to use Brazil as the rallying point to enact gun bans in the United States. We're happy they were defeated," he said.

Some Brazilians said they resented the referendum because they feel the government is ducking its responsibility to keep the peace.

"It's immoral for the government to have this vote," said Pedro Ricardo, an army officer in Sao Paulo. "They're putting the responsibility on us, but ... the way to cut down on violence is to combat the drug trade and patrol our borders."

Supporters maintain the referendum is the only way to make Brazil safer.

"We have to change the violence in this country," said Paulo Leite, an engineer from the upscale Ipanema beach district.

About 39,000 people in Brazil are killed by guns each year, compared to about 30,000 people in the United States, although the U.S. population is about 100 million more than Brazil's, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

According to UNESCO, Brazil ranks second in deaths by guns, with 21.72 per 100,000 people a year. Venezuela has 34.3 gun deaths per 100,000.

But in shantytowns like Vila do Joao, the rate rises to around 150 per 100,000. And for males between 17 and 24, the death rate is closer to 250 per 100,000.

Associated Press Writer Michael Astor contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; brasil; brazil; nra
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1 posted on 10/23/2005 10:21:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
How many is a brazillian?

Sorry.

2 posted on 10/23/2005 10:37:15 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: neverdem; Admin Moderator

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1508007/posts


3 posted on 10/23/2005 10:41:37 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I wanted to link your thread, but I had a call to nature. I'll link this longer version to your thread.


4 posted on 10/23/2005 10:55:31 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
It's not in their Constitution

Not yet....

5 posted on 10/23/2005 10:58:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: neverdem

"That law, coupled with a government-sponsored gun buyback program, has reduced deaths from firearms by about 8 percent this year, the Health Ministry said."

I'd like to see the proof of that.


6 posted on 10/23/2005 11:34:13 PM PDT by Lunkker
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To: neverdem
Kidnapping is a major industry in Brasil.

Brasil also has some of the most corrupt cops in the world, some of whom moonlight for the kidnapping gangs.

If you have a lot of money in Brasil odds are you employ body guards, have several large well trained dogs, a high fence topped with broken glass, about $25K in your safe and several firearms. Problem is, you don't have to be rich to be a kidnapping victim. Guns are the only means of security for the working and middle classes.

Brasil already has strict gun control laws. Several years ago they abolished concealed carry for honest people and the kidnapping rate increased. Honest Brasilian's can't legally own automatics, which means they are usually out gunned by the crooks who can.

Between this referendum and the recent corruption charges Lula must not be looking so great to is international socialist sponsors.
7 posted on 10/23/2005 11:48:41 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: nunya bidness

Actually the country of Brasil is spelled with an "S".


8 posted on 10/23/2005 11:58:23 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Southack; Travis McGee; Squantos
Hello.
9 posted on 10/23/2005 11:58:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: neverdem

Good news indeed.


marktwain


10 posted on 10/24/2005 2:18:28 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: neverdem
"Now, a lot of Brazilians are insisting on their right to bear arms, they don't even have a pseudo right to bear arms. It's not in their Constitution."

Rights aren't granted by constitutions...rights are freedoms which are supposed to be "protected" by constitutions.

11 posted on 10/24/2005 2:29:01 AM PDT by Skybird
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To: neverdem
Obviously this vote will have to be held again, and again, and again, and again... Until it finally passes.

Then no more votes will be required and the issue will finally be resolved for all eternity.

The communist gun grabbers seek only to make the law abiding citizen the criminal and the criminal a state employee.
13 posted on 10/24/2005 2:57:09 AM PDT by mmercier (slaughterhouse five)
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To: Cobra64
Actually the [name of the] country of Brasil is spelled with an "S".

In Portuguese, yes. In English, it's "Brazil."

15 posted on 10/24/2005 3:34:34 AM PDT by Tenniel (I'm against a homogenized society because I want the cream to rise. -- Robert Frost)
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To: Lazamataz
The proposal would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition except for police, the military, some security guards, gun collectors and sports shooters

Translation: ......Goobermint & Rich People !

16 posted on 10/24/2005 4:07:15 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: nunya bidness

Very good....:o)


17 posted on 10/24/2005 4:09:14 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: arbooz

My boss is from Brazil, and he has interesting stories. In the rural areas and towns, it isn't that bad. In places like San Paublo, you need a tank.


18 posted on 10/24/2005 4:19:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Skybird
Rights aren't granted by constitutions.

Actually, the vast majority of constitutions do grant rights and the only rights the people have are those delineated in the constitution. It's called codified or Roman law. That's what makes our constitution so special - it is the first and still one of the few that exists as you state.

20 posted on 10/24/2005 7:19:57 AM PDT by green iguana
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