Pshaw. If you want a REAL .308 get one of each of these.
Springfield SOCOMII
Springfield M25 "White Feather"
Or the really badass H&K PSG1
Posted on 10/21/2005 3:21:50 PM PDT by Ain Soph Aur
Exactly, and this is such common sense that I'm flabbergasted that more freepers didn't get it off the bat.
I haven't reloaded any .50's yet but I've saved all the brass. At a buck a round it could be cost effective.
I do have a .44 barrel but have had problems with improper cycling and stove piping of the spent case. Have you had ay problems? What ammo do you use?
Thanks
I grant your point about not diminishing our freedoms, but I'm also concerned about protecing them.
I guess the best thing would be to somehow change the social norms without imposing one size fits all requirements.
It's been over thirty years since I sat in a Latin class, but I seem to recall that this sentence structure was quite common in Latin. I believe that it was called an "ablative absolute". I don't believe that our Founders had any doubt about its meaning nor were they in any way careless.
A closer reading than yours might be:
"Because, among other reasons, a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
If anything, this reading still too strongly connects the two clauses.
Here's another example:
"The sun having risen above the horizon, the captain ordered a ten minute rest break."
The sun having risen did not CAUSE the captain to order a break. It was more of an indicator that he should. It doesn't mean that there aren't many other reasons why he might have called a break. If anything, it is closer to a grammatical structure consisting of two independent thoughts connected by an unstated relationship. The weakness of the relationship is because it is not critical to the meaning being conveyed. This sentence structure should have been a cue to the Supreme Court that it was intended for them NOT to find the connection essential.
Unfortunately, I believe that the Supreme Court did exactly what the Founder's choice of sentence structure was designed to avoid. If our Founders had omitted the Militia clause, then the Supreme Court would have concluded that our Founders could not possibly have meant that the populace be armed so as to be able to overthrow the government. The writings of our Founders show quite clearly that that is exactly what they intended.
The second amendment is not the entire Constitution.
This from Art. 1,
Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power ...
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Given this power, the first Congress passed the 1792 militia act, abstracted above, BEFORE, the second amendment was even ratified. About 7 months before as a matter of fact.
Not yet. But understand that what I quoted is only part of the findings, it does not carry the force of law. But, whether the President signs it or not, but especially if he does (and he's not exactly worn out his veto pen you know), this language would probably have some weight when and if the Supreme Court ever gets around to making a ruling on some gun control law.
The second amendment prohibits the former, the "militia powers" of Article 1 section 8 allow the latter.
AR-10s are chambered for 9mm Kurtz (short)? :)
I do believe you meant .308. :)
Ha! I caught that too. Sounds like a gun rationioning scheme to me. Better not let them see my vault.
Yeah, I think you're right. There are some parts of the country where people assume that gun-ownerss and horrible criminals are basically the same group of people. You find this attitude in a few big cities. Like you, I'd like to see a more reality-based attitude toward honest gun owners.
If you are not willing to share in the common defense, be it against foreign enemies or domestic criminals, why should you have a say in how things are run? Heck you make one dumb decision, you are very likely to make more, at our expense
The Swiss used to require men to show up at the voting place with their rifle, or they couldn't vote. Being a nation of riflemen helped persuade Hitler not to invade Switzerland.
I guess my point is large masses of PO'd folks with auto weapons would make for a mess at best - the USA IS NOT Switzerland or Sweden etc.
Different cultures, different people entirely.
I don't know if you got the point of the article.
Pshaw. If you want a REAL .308 get one of each of these.
Springfield SOCOMII
Springfield M25 "White Feather"
Or the really badass H&K PSG1
That's true, but he never said the Second Amendment imposes the obligation to be armed. The first passage of such a law, under the powers granted Congress by the Constitution, was passed seven months before the second amendment was ratified. Of course that wasn't the first such law in either the United States or the North American Colonies of Great Britain.
the difference being the Second Amendment prohibits Congress from infringing the RKBA, while the "militia powers" of art 1 sec. 8, only allow the Congress to require everyone to be armed, they do not compel them to do so. However the existence of those powers indicate that the Founders recognized no right NOT to be armed.
*shudder* What would President Johnson, President Carter, President Gore, or President Kerry's idea of "work of national importance" have been? We don't need a national servitude amendment.
Not owning a gun is going to make that sort of difficult, unless you want to throw spitballs at the enemy. Not being prepared, when you could be, shows a lack of commitment.
Historically, the army doesn't have a enough weapons even for it's full and part time soldiers at the beginning of a war. Also historically, folks were expected to bring their own. American gun owners even sent their privately owned weapons to England at the beginning of WW-II, to arm the home guard, only to have those same guns confiscated by the British government after the war, and destroyed rather than be returned them to those that had lent them.
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Some of whom were using them to force other people to build it for them.
It is not portable, but it is very effective (S&W 20 guage pump... Texas dove hate it).
My kids are smart as whips. They are grown now, and one has made me a grandfather. But I had guns in the house the entire time they were around, and before. I never locked them up, nor the ammunition either. But if I'd has one that rambunctious, I probably would have. My girls were taught how to shoot them at a fairly early age, as soon as I got the first .22 handgun in fact in the case of the older one. (I was a shotgun only type, until "corrupted" by my wife's grandfather (which got me the 10/22 Ruger) and her father (first the .22 S&W handgun and then the flood gates opened, starting with the 1911A1) :)
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