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Some Conservatives Need To Be Taken To The Woodshed (vanity)
Me ^ | 18-October-2005 | Erik Latranyi

Posted on 10/18/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

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To: princess leah

I didn't post it, but believe its a good post.

Thanks, anyway.


81 posted on 10/18/2005 9:04:00 AM PDT by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

But which ones? The ones advising President Bush?


82 posted on 10/18/2005 9:04:17 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Why is it that the folks who support the President's nomination of Miers are called "Republicans" (as opposed to "conservatives"), while those who oppose the nomination are called "conservatives" -- even though much of the opposition to her nomination is coming from people like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Bill Kristol, etc. who are among the most limp-wristed "conservatives" on the national scene?

If I may interject, AC, sense the question wasn't asked of me.

I've come to the conclusion that more often than not, "conservatism," "real conservative," and "true conservative" are simply euphemisms for a type of identity politics. That's how I now see it.


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83 posted on 10/18/2005 9:04:36 AM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: snippy_about_it
I could never have said it with so few words.

Sure you could! ;^)

XOXOX

84 posted on 10/18/2005 9:05:49 AM PDT by w_over_w (GO ASTROS!!! Make it to the big one . . . this time?)
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To: RegulatorCountry

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

-- Teddy Roosevelt in the "Kansas City Star", May 7, 1918


85 posted on 10/18/2005 9:07:54 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: rdb3
I've come to the conclusion that more often than not, "conservatism," "real conservative," and "true conservative" are simply euphemisms for a type of identity politics.

Precisely.

Labels and name-calling do not advance our agenda.

86 posted on 10/18/2005 9:08:04 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Dolphy
It's good for business you know, not victory.

Right! Who was it that said, "Washington DC is about itself"?

87 posted on 10/18/2005 9:08:24 AM PDT by w_over_w (GO ASTROS!!! Make it to the big one . . . this time?)
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To: PaulaB

One thing I have learned on here

Conservative does not= integrity and respect




Also,

Conservative does not=Republican

and vice versa.


88 posted on 10/18/2005 9:08:36 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you are not willing to fight the Meiers nomination, I don't care what you think.)
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To: rdb3
I've come to the conclusion that more often than not, "conservatism," "real conservative," and "true conservative" are simply euphemisms for a type of identity politics. That's how I now see it.

I agree with you 100% on this. I just find it downright laughable when a big-government hack like William Kristol publicly denounces the nomination of Miers for not being "conservative enough."

That's the equivalent of having a bloated slob like Ted Kennedy complain that she isn't thin enough and might have a drinking problem.

89 posted on 10/18/2005 9:08:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The rape of the US Constitution will continue if conservatives try to preach rather than teach.

Thanks for your post! What I find so disconcerting is the group who proclaims to love the constitution so much that they are unwilling to give this woman a fair hearing because they feel that by not being a legal scholar or judge that she is unqualified to sit on the SCOTUS. That is precisely what the drafters of the constitution wanted to avoid.


90 posted on 10/18/2005 9:09:29 AM PDT by HelloooClareece (Another proud member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: Willie Green
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

I agree. Nobody is above criticism. However, the tactics being used to conduct that criticism ignore this part of your post......

Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else.

THAT is what I am talking about.

91 posted on 10/18/2005 9:10:58 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Alberta's Child
I agree with you 100% on this. I just find it downright laughable when a big-government hack like William Kristol publicly denounces the nomination of Miers for not being "conservative enough." That's the equivalent of having a bloated slob like Ted Kennedy complain that she isn't thin enough and might have a drinking problem.

LOL. I totally agree AC, it's hypocritical.

The term "conservatism" has been dumbed down to mean anything, or nothing.

92 posted on 10/18/2005 9:11:30 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (you call me a right wing extremist and a Rushbot like it's a bad thing.....)
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To: w_over_w
"Washington DC is about itself"?

That's a good point. Someone described what happens in Washington under a change in administration from one party to the other (1992 and 2000, for example) as the equivalent of Boeing and Microsoft shutting down their Seattle operations, and Toyota and Apple Computer starting up new operations there a week later.

93 posted on 10/18/2005 9:11:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Terabitten

Social conservatives who don't really give a crap about fiscal issues, fiscal conservatives who don't really give a crap about social issues, small-government conservatives, "little l" libertarian conservatives, Southpark conservatives, evangelical conservatives




I just realized while reading this post, that I have a little of all of these making up my political viewpoint.


94 posted on 10/18/2005 9:12:51 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you are not willing to fight the Meiers nomination, I don't care what you think.)
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To: trubluolyguy
I just realized while reading this post, that I have a little of all of these making up my political viewpoint.

And that is what FR is all about! We can have differing political views, founded on totally different educations and life experiences and still debate in a somewhat civil manner! Just because someone does not agree with every little detail of conservatism does not make them wrong or bad, just misguided.

Smart conservatives educate.

95 posted on 10/18/2005 9:15:20 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi
And what did you accomplish with that statement?

I simply made your statement (Stop pronouncing yourself a "true conservative" and anybody who backs President Bush a "Bush-Bot". That is liberal-speak.) more Fair and Balanced.

96 posted on 10/18/2005 9:18:26 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: w_over_w

LOL. You found me!


xoxoxo


97 posted on 10/18/2005 9:21:20 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: jonrick46

Amen!! and whoever doesn't agree with us is a blithering fool. What would Moe Howard say about all this??


98 posted on 10/18/2005 9:21:50 AM PDT by Dr. I. C. Spots
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To: SmoothTalker

And they back Miers too, not for substantive reasons (as some do, although I disagree with them), but because they "support our President."




The best, clearest posting of my position on the Bush-bot, pro-Meiers folk.


99 posted on 10/18/2005 9:22:36 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you are not willing to fight the Meiers nomination, I don't care what you think.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Notice which side responds to you by name calling and which side wants a discourse. It only shows that the name callers have nothing other than their crystal balls to make their argument. Calling people with deeply held beliefs "bushbots" is pathetic ignorance.

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops

100 posted on 10/18/2005 9:25:22 AM PDT by bray (Islam IS a terrorist organization)
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