To: antiRepublicrat
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.
Those printing money, drivers license, social security cards, false IDs etc. should worry a lot.....
12 posted on
10/18/2005 7:02:38 AM PDT by
yoe
To: yoe
"If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you."
Yeah, and the Clintons didn't use the IRS to abuse their critics.
Print a criticle article: get harrassed. Heck, get investigated and spend $100,000 making sure you don't get railroaded into jail for doing nothing.
When thinking about government power, assume Hillary Clinton is president with Jame Carville running the FBI.
17 posted on
10/18/2005 7:05:47 AM PDT by
MeanWestTexan
(Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you. I bet you also think the government doesn't do anything illegal .... show me your papers comrade.
23 posted on
10/18/2005 7:13:03 AM PDT by
Yasotay
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.Between the various Supreme Court rulings which effectively eliminate private property, the Sarbanes-Oxley idiocy, and trial lawyer jackpot hunting, there is no way of knowing what a future black robed thug will decide is illegal.
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.
Like printing handbills against say, a future Clinton admin? I'm always amazed at conservatives who think nothing of letting their freedom slip away.....
25 posted on
10/18/2005 7:14:12 AM PDT by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.Please don't confuse the desire for privacy with attempts to conceal criminal behavior. Do you seal your letters? Would you object to cameras and microphones being installed in your house and car? If yes, do you have anything to hide?
Those printing money, drivers license, social security cards, false IDs etc. should worry a lot.....
And we can see how many times the government uses those dots to prosecute those crimes from all the newspaper reports of those people being busted. Right?
28 posted on
10/18/2005 7:15:00 AM PDT by
coloradan
(Hence, etc.)
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.That stupid comment should be banned from FR.
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.The battle-cry of the Hardened Statist.
I am doing nothing illegal, and I am bothered by this quite thoroughly. My only shock is that there are those who are not.
33 posted on
10/18/2005 7:20:15 AM PDT by
Lazamataz
(Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.
As well as anyone trying to print a dissenting newspaper during the next Clinton administration. Why are you so willing to give up your freedoms?
36 posted on
10/18/2005 7:21:25 AM PDT by
Quick1
To: yoe
I will send some deputies over later today to search your house, if you have done nothing wrong than nothing to worry about comrade
38 posted on
10/18/2005 7:23:23 AM PDT by
vrwc0915
To: yoe
"If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.." The standard bleat of the typical government apologist. Get this---there are things government has NO BUSINESS whatsoever doing. This kind of spying is one of them (and no, don't try to justify it with "War on Terrror" bullbleep either).
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you. I understand the need for this technology, and I do know a case where counterfeiting was caught using it, but there are no privacy or other safeguards set up in this system. All we have is the Secret Service saying they want it for anti-counterfeiting. What's to keep President Hillary for telling them to find out who printed a phamphlet critical of her?
At a minimum I want laws stating:
- A serial number lookup can only be done in conjunction with a USSS counterfeiting or FBI kidnapping (ransom note) or child pornography investigation.
- The lookup can only be done with a federal warrant, the document presented to the issuing judge, and it must be prima facie evidence of one of the above felonies.
- Printer manufacturers shall treat the serial number/client lists as classified information and subject them to commensurate safeguards. The information may be used within the company for normal operational purposes, and shall only be released outside when presented with a valid federal warrant satisfying 1 & 2.
That would start to make me happy.
To: yoe
I got news for yea. You did something illegal. Or at least you have sad something that some politician doesnt like. You just don't know what it was.
Worried yet?
You should be.
This same technology can be used to track down the printer the made a sign that says something is simple as
"Eat at Joes"
If Joe is on the wrong side of the political fence so is the owner of the printer. Both could hang in the same dungeon.
Doubt me?
Take a ride through history. Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, Communist China
They all did it. Hell even our own British masters went on a rampage to destroy printers in the 18th century.
Worried yet?
You should be.
50 posted on
10/18/2005 7:45:31 AM PDT by
grayforkbeard
(Precision weapons win battles. Bombing the whole country flat wins wars)
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.
People with that attitude really scare me.
4th Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
5th Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Ignoring the 4th and 5th amendments to the constitution is disturbing. Your reaction is equally disturbing.
62 posted on
10/18/2005 7:58:08 AM PDT by
Durus
("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
To: yoe
"If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.
Those printing money, drivers license, social security cards, false IDs etc. should worry a lot....."
Not really. Any real counterfeiter or forger would already know about this and have devised ways of disabling it.
Only amateurs will be caught. In the legal profession it will likely be used to time stamp documents from now on so anyone trying to pass off a document as older than it is will be caught and some political pamphleteers will be persecuted in countries without press freedoms. China, Tibet, etc.
72 posted on
10/18/2005 8:12:33 AM PDT by
monday
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you.Trotting out an old favorite, eh?
76 posted on
10/18/2005 8:15:37 AM PDT by
metesky
(This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
To: yoe
If you are not doing anything illegal, this should not bother you. You and people like you will be the downfall of rights and freedom.
I know illegal things going on in the school district where my wife works and write the local paper. Some clerk can now trace who I am.
I write a note to the editor about my congressman and include some documents.
Business notes and ideas can be tracked.
The list of legal things that can be misused is endless.
99 posted on
10/18/2005 9:04:19 AM PDT by
HoustonCurmudgeon
(A right wing Christian, not part of the Christian Right)
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