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No more benefit of the doubt
The American Conservative Union ^ | October 17, 2005 | David A. Keene

Posted on 10/17/2005 3:17:09 PM PDT by Map Kernow

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To: gondramB

I appreciate your honesty.


61 posted on 10/17/2005 8:08:00 PM PDT by curiosity (Cronyism is not conservative)
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To: Stuart Scott
Is that so? Come on, even more people on this very site oppose her than support her, according to the poll on the front page. This is bad news for him for sure.

That poll number is to small to tell anything. An earlier poll on FR had far more numbers of voters.
62 posted on 10/17/2005 9:10:25 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sinkspur

I agree with you!! I'd rather hear from her myself however the Talking Heads are sounding very much like elitist snobs on a mission to have her "withdraw".
Hope she hangs in there and proves them wrong.


63 posted on 10/17/2005 9:10:47 PM PDT by Gimme
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To: Sam the Sham
Can you seriously argue that a mind unashamed to publicly write junior high school level prose is qualified to be on the most elite court of this nation ?

I've read her notes. That is nothing more than writing unimportant items while being preoccupied with other matters. Let's see what Mark Levin had to say about her in an interview with Hugh Hewitt:

ML: (laughing) Hugh, you're trying. I love you, brother. But that's irrelevant to me. I'm not interested in the statistics of three prior justices, where they come from. That doesn't inform me at all. I mean, William O. Douglass served in the SEC, and he came out of Washington, too. I mean, it doesn't matter to me. Here's what I want you to help me with. I want to feel, taste, see her judicial philosophy. I don't want to hear about all the wonderful job she did. Let's assume that she's a competent attorney, okay? That's a given. There's no question about that.

HH: A very good competent attorney?

ML: I don't have idea. Everybody tells me she's a good, competent attorney.

64 posted on 10/17/2005 9:27:20 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sinkspur

"You make the mistake of thinking that you represent all conservatives.
You don't. In fact, there are many more conservatives who are willing to give Miers a hearing than actively oppose her."

Bush has just pissed off millions of his most ardent supporters. Is this everyone on the right? No. But it is a quite large number and we will not give him the benefit of the doubt in the future. It is truly a jump the shark moment.


65 posted on 10/17/2005 10:27:00 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
Bush has just pissed off millions of his most ardent supporters. Is this everyone on the right? No. But it is a quite large number and we will not give him the benefit of the doubt in the future. It is truly a jump the shark moment.

I'm sure the lack of your support pains him a great deal.

66 posted on 10/17/2005 10:31:29 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: gondramB

"But in looking for a link to give you, I found that she was actually ranked one of the top 100 most influential lawyers. "

Even worse, apparently she was part of the 100 most influential because of being a Bush appointee, so it is a self referential statement.

Refreshing to see someone admit a mistake, you are a better man than me :)


67 posted on 10/17/2005 10:37:27 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: sinkspur

"I'm sure the lack of your support pains him a great deal."

He doesn't care what I think, I don't care what he thinks. I'm just telling you that Bush is now a lame duck, even in his own party. He will now be as respected as his dad.


68 posted on 10/17/2005 10:42:38 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
He will now be as respected as his dad.

The fact that he initiated the freeing of 50 million Muslims means nothing to you?

You likely didn't vote for him in the first place.

69 posted on 10/17/2005 10:44:34 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: sinkspur

"The fact that he initiated the freeing of 50 million Muslims means nothing to you?"

I give him an A+ for WOT. Most other things, he is fair to abysmal. If you don't understand this, then there are some illegal aliens I'd like to send your way.

"You likely didn't vote for him in the first place."

Yeah, like someone believes that. What, was that all you had left to pull out of your ass? A stupid comment like that?

"You likely beat your mother with a stick". That's an equally stupid comment, maybe you can use that next time in case you run out of other witty things to say.


70 posted on 10/17/2005 10:52:05 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: gondramB
How would you feel about an 8 person supreme court where the next President has an immediate chance to name a justice?

You're right, of course, and that's precisely what bothers me about Miers as the nominee. A Dim would nominate a clear-cut judicial activist and the party would fight tooth-and-nail until that person was confirmed.

I am sadly disappointed that our side won't reciprocate. It almost makes one wonder if the Dim's (as a whole) aren't more committed to their cause than we are. It's the end game, and we act like we don't want the ball.

Yeah, I know all about the gang of 14 and the sniveling bunch of RINO's in the senate. Blah, blah, blah. The fact of the matter is, neither Bush nor the RNC are as concerned with the make-up of the Supreme Court as they are about winning elections.

I do not, and have not, voted straight-party Republican for over 20 years to "win" on election night. I voted for a philosophy, not a party. The unwillingness to nominate a clear Constructionist is not being Conservative.

It's running from it...

71 posted on 10/17/2005 11:40:38 PM PDT by WrightWings
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To: GarySpFc
That is nothing more than writing unimportant items while being preoccupied with other matters.

Nothing a lawyer says or writes is unimportant. These are people trained to use language with great precision. Like diplomats.

72 posted on 10/18/2005 3:14:35 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham
Nothing a lawyer says or writes is unimportant. These are people trained to use language with great precision. Like diplomats.

The last two words in the above paragraph are not a sentence.
73 posted on 10/18/2005 6:23:11 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sinkspur
You likely didn't vote for him in the first place.

Let's wait and see what he has to say during the confirmation hearings.

That ought to tell us a lot.

Until then, let's not make assumptions about him. That's just viscous (sp?) and might result in another FR meltdown.

Do you want that on your conscience?

Oh, the cowboy and the farmer should be friends . . .

74 posted on 10/18/2005 6:41:44 PM PDT by alcuin (And what became of the seat what was to come to ME?)
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To: Map Kernow
Oy vey, even David Keene has joined the Brotherhood of the Victim?

This is getting a bit out of hand.

My advice to both sides, stop the freaking whining.

75 posted on 10/18/2005 6:48:38 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
This is getting a bit out of hand.

Things got "out of hand" the morning of October 3. They may get "back in hand," but each day this Miers farce continues, it looks less and less likely.

GW seems to think he can continue to implement his agenda without the "elitist" conservative punditry he's consciously alienated, and maybe he can. But regardless whether he can or not, it'll be interesting, and maybe a little harrowing, to see what happens the next three years to his ability to govern.

76 posted on 10/18/2005 7:24:08 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cboldt
SAVE THE KITTENS!!!


77 posted on 10/20/2005 4:15:52 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: jwalsh07
"Oy vey, even David Keene has joined the Brotherhood of the Victim?"

Yes, that's right. The vast majority of the conservative illuminati is AGAINST this nomination. Can you ever think of a time a Republican President has had a nominee face this kind of friendly fire?

When will the White House, RNC and their supporters here at Free Republic realize that this is because this is such an OBVIOUSLY horrid pick for SCOTUS and withdraw this nomination?

78 posted on 10/20/2005 4:17:47 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

You have totally misunderstood my post. Oppose or support whomever you like, just stop the damn whining and the victimhood crap.


79 posted on 10/20/2005 4:20:06 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Yes, that's right, the conservative activist leaders, commentators, columnists, etc... should just "Shut Up."

It's not THEIR fault the Bush Administration blew it, and people can continue to keep shooting the messengers saying "stop pointing out the obvious, wouldja?" and that won't make Harriet Miers any better of a pick.

One good way to stop conservatives from voicing their displeasures? Make the choice for whomever replaces Harriet someone who can conservatives can get behind and defend. It doesn't have to be a dream candidate (i.e. Janice Rogers Brown) but it also shouldn't be an inexperienced, intellectual lightweight bowler with a humidor full of M&Ms in her office. That might make for a nice lady, a good co-worker and a great neighbor.

A woman fit to serve as a Justice on the Supreme Court of the United States, it does NOT make.

80 posted on 10/20/2005 5:48:15 PM PDT by Impeach98
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