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Bush at War With Right Over Court Nomination (And why Rush Limbaugh &c are sadly mistaken)
The Telegraph ^ | October 17, 2005 | Francis Harris

Posted on 10/16/2005 6:40:03 PM PDT by quidnunc

The White House branded its increasingly vocal conservative critics as "cynical" yesterday as the dispute over President George W Bush's nomination of his official lawyer to the Supreme Court deepened.

Many Republicans have described Harriet Miers as unqualified for such an important job. They are lobbying for an ultra-conservative with an established judicial record.

Critics have seized on correspondence between Miss Miers and the Bush family to portray her as a lightweight.

Mr Bush's top aide, the White House chief of staff Andy Card, criticised the campaign by influential party figures to prevent Miss Miers's elevation to America's most powerful court.

"I'm a little surprised they came out of the box so cynically," he told a television interviewer.

The use of such language by a top Bush aide about prominent Republican party supporters was unprecedented, indicating a growing sense of desperation.

The White House has suffered a dire six weeks during which it has been criticised for the handling of Hurricane Katrina, the Iraq war and its legislative programme.

As Mr Bush's approval ratings have sunk to an all-time low, his chief strategist, Karl Rove, has faced questioning for his role in the leaking of a CIA agent's name.

To add to the Republican's woes, the party's "iron fist" in Congress, Tom DeLay, has been indicted for criminal conspiracy and money laundering.

He says the charges are politically motivated.

Newsweek magazine noted yesterday that the Bush administration was now being seen as "a political machine that has lost its bearings, and even its skill, in a whorl of war, hurricanes, scandal, internal strife and second-term ennui".

Such talk has increased the Bush team's determination not to suffer defeat on the Miers nomination. But many believe the case against her is already overwhelming.

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To: Jim_Curtis
Miers' past donations to Gore and Dukakis in 1988

Miers was cohead of a law firm and the law firm may have deemed it necessary for their business to make political contributions to the Democrats back when Texas was solidly run by Democrats (before George W. Bush changed the lay of the land in Texas).

So, my question is, were these donations made by her law firm, or at the behest of her law firm so the money donated could be hard money, or were they made by her personally from internal conviction?

241 posted on 10/16/2005 11:48:17 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: isthisnickcool
Would it really matter if all three branches of the federal gov't just disappeared for a couple of years?

You may have a chance to find out when Iran nukes D.C. Me, I'm betting that for all their sins and failings, it's better to have a functioning government than not.

242 posted on 10/16/2005 11:51:44 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: af_vet_1981

Disagreeing with President Bush about this nomination is far different than betraying him, Sorry.


243 posted on 10/16/2005 11:51:54 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: Cboldt

How about "Limited Government Conservative"? Or LGC for short.

I know, it SHOULD be redundant, but we have to have a way to differentiate between the 'compassionate' (big government) conservatives and the heartless ones ;)


244 posted on 10/17/2005 12:01:35 AM PDT by flashbunny (Loyalty is earned, not handed out.)
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To: flashbunny
How about "Limited Government Conservative"? Or LGC for short. I know, it SHOULD be redundant, but we have to have a way to differentiate between the 'compassionate' (big government) conservatives and the heartless ones ;)

I'm cool with that for the overarching stuff. But for the Mieres nomination, "dark side" is getting to be fun. We aren't stuck with the label for long ;-)

245 posted on 10/17/2005 12:05:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Luke21
Gerry Ford was the biggest blockhead ever to be POTUS.

You forgot to add that he "liberated" Poland and Eastern during the 1976 POTUS debates. Then he refused to retract or admit he was wrong for almost two weeks.

Carter and the MSM had a field day. He's aides finally convinced him that - yes, Poland was dominated by the USSR
246 posted on 10/17/2005 12:06:17 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
So the long list of conservatives who oppose this nomination like Levin, Rush, Fund, Kristol, Coulter, Bauers, Krauthammer, Ingrahm, Bennett and on and on are not members of the Republican Party?

Many members of the Republican conservative base who have worked for the past 20 years, some slavishly, to arrive at this moment, are dissatisfied with this nomination, including myself. A good lot of us, but not all, are Reagan conservatives (though some Reagan conservatives support the nomination).

To suggest all or most criticism is coming from third party members and/or Democrats is flat out wrong.

247 posted on 10/17/2005 12:10:21 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
What is different with Bush? 1] Carter's Iranian ayatollahs, or Bush spending $300 billion in Iraq while having knowledge that the Iranians are sending in terrorists and Iran makes most of the IEDs that are killing our troops--Bush does nothing, and even allows Iran to go nuclear.

And you want to take on Iran with 2-3 times the population of Iraq before we have secured Iraq? We need Iraq and Afghanistan flanking Iran in a more secure state before we take on Iran head on.

And no we won't wait for them to go nuclear. Bush didn't sell the Israelis an AWAC for nothing.

P.S. Iran is part of the secret even in success part of the WOT, fomenting rebellion against the mullah rule, etc.

2] Carter's "Panama Canal lost" or Bush's "New Mexico, California and Arizona lost" to Mexicans?

Border control has been beefed up and Immigration Reform Bills are finally up for votes in Congress this term. You underestimate the power of the MSM in killing more meaningful reform before now.

I, too, am dumbfounded at how craven the Democrats have been on border security, but that is the treasonous bed they have elected to lie in. Yes, you are right that Bush is not passionate on this issue, but he wouldn't have been elected in the first place if he had been, and Gore would have been making the decisions.

3] Carter's prohibition on oil drilling or Bush's failure to restart nuclear power plants while we pay $3.00 a gallon for gas?

Since when is Bush supposed to be a nuclear technician and able to walk into plants and throw the rods himself? First, you have to get litigation off the backs of the nuclear power plant owners so they can make a profit generating power with a nuclear plant. They have taken a bath trying to get into the nuclear energy field. My electric bill in California still shows up a charge of 53 cents every month for "nuclear decommissioning".

One of the first things Bush did in 2001 was the Energy Bill and parts of it were finally passed just a couple months ago, because he finally had enough votes in the Senate to eke it out. And he went out into the field in 2002 and bet his Presidency on getting more Republican Senators elected, so he could get judges and energy bills and other things passed.

Bush is starting to make Carter look like a world leader.

Have no fear, history will be MUCH kinder to Dubya than to Jimmy.

248 posted on 10/17/2005 12:20:09 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Blackirish
Trust - yes.

But there's a difference between


249 posted on 10/17/2005 12:23:00 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: All

Hubby's turn for the internet now.

I'll come back tomorrow to answer any objections to my posts.

Night all!

Thanks for a more civil thread than some in the past 2 weeks.


250 posted on 10/17/2005 12:24:02 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: TAdams8591
To suggest all or most criticism is coming from third party members and/or Democrats is flat out wrong.

That's not what I said.

251 posted on 10/17/2005 12:34:20 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: Dolphy
Is he going to become an ideologue, which he never was, nor did he campaign as one.

MODERATOR: Should a voter assume that all judicial appointments you make to the supreme court or any other court, federal court, will also be pro-life?

BUSH: The voters should assume I have no litmus test on that issue or any other issue. Voters will know I'll put competent judges on the bench. People who will strictly interpret the Constitution and not use the bench for writing social policy. That is going to be a big difference between my opponent and me. I believe that the judges ought not to take the place of the legislative branch of government. That they're appointed for life and that they ought to look at the Constitution as sacred. They shouldn't misuse their bench. I don't believe in liberal activist judges. I believe in strict constructionists.


"GOV BUSH: The most primary issue-the most primary issue is will they strictly interpret the Constitution of the United States?

MR. RUSSERT: Will your judges and judge appointments to the Supreme Court be similar to Scalia in their temperament and judicial outlook?

GOV. BUSH: Well, I don't think you're going to find many people to be actually similar to him. He's an unusual man. He's an intellect. The reason I like him so much is I got to know him here in Austin when he came down. He's witty, he's interesting, he's firm. There's a lot of reasons why I like Judge Scalia. And I like a lot of the other judges as well. I mean, it's kind of a harsh question to ask because it now pits me-some of whom are friends of mine. I mean, it's-and so, in all due respect, Judge Thomas."

http://www.confirmthem.com/?p=1611


252 posted on 10/17/2005 12:37:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: quidnunc
Reagan’s challenge to Ford almost certainly was the reason that Ford lost, but that’s as far as it goes.

Maybe, but I think it was his pardon of Nixon and the weak 'Whip Inflation Now' approach to economic policy. So, the country cleaned house, and bought the pig in a poke that was Carter

The reason that Ronald Reagan won in 1980 was because Jimmy Carter was such a thoroughgoing doofus, not because Reagan challenged Ford in 1976.

No, the reason Ronald Reagan won in 1980, is that he got the chance to run. He would have won in 1976. He had overwhelming victories in 1980 and 1984. It was his 1976 primary speeches that gave him a leading position in the Republican primary race, as an alternative to the Ford-like candidates. Then he gave the whole country an alternative to Carter and Carter's losing ways. He then delivered what he promised and got the 1984 landslide.

It's Bush who won because the other guy was such a doofus (twice!). If the one guy is a clear doofus, and you aren't sure about the other one, you get a close race, not a landslide. Reagan had two landslides: 1980 489-49, 1984 525-13. Bush had two squeakers: 2000 271-266, 2004 286-252.

Pushing on the judge issue is good election politics, and it wasn't a good idea for Bush to pack it in as it will affect the 2006 midterms by taking the judge issue off the table.

Some more Reaganite(TM) backbone and principle would do Bush a world of good.

253 posted on 10/17/2005 2:25:40 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: jveritas
Can the "ideologues" get over 50% of the total votes in general election?

Yes we can! Reagan got landslides, Bush squeaked by. Bush got elected because he ran against opponents who showed themselves to be properly classified as Homo Doofus. Carter may have been a doofus, but Reagan did rack up 90% of the electoral votes or more both elections. Had the Dems not drifted into Soros-land, and put up a Zell Miller in 2004, Bush would have lost.

Pragmatic and compassionate Conservatism is the best formula for winning and achieving our goals little by little.

And exactly what goals are those? Shutting off free speech (CFR)? Adding to dependency (Prescription Drugs) and profligacy (68 Trillion estimated unfunded liability for Prescription Drugs)? Federal control of Education? Open Borders?

No, it is clear that Reagans brand of conservatism has the Bush brand of Clinton-lite conservatism beat.

254 posted on 10/17/2005 2:35:35 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: quidnunc
Luis Gonzalez wrote: These so-called Republicans only significant contribution to the American political landscape will forever be known as the Clinton presidency.

A point which is so astute and so true that it should be tattooed (backwards) on the foreheads of all the idealogue wingnuts so they have to read it every time they look in the mirror.

With the conseratives behind him, Reagan gets two landslides. After shafting the conservatives, Read-My-Lips Bush goes down in flames.

Bush II figures this out, and doesn't shaft the conservatives until his second term.

The conservatives significant contribution to the American Political Landscape is Ronald Reagan. T'was Bush I who gave us Clinton.

Maybe rich kids never learn to dance with the one who brought you to the dance.

255 posted on 10/17/2005 2:46:48 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: IVote2
The nominee hasn't even had her hearing.

Her qualifications for SCOTUS are so non-existant she can't really be called a nominee while keeping a straight face.

Crony is a more apt label.
256 posted on 10/17/2005 5:12:24 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: slowhandluke
Did CFR really shut off your free speech?! really??? I am against it but did it really put us in total silence. Not at all. Since your predictions about an absolute Bush defeat in 2004 was totally destroyed, you people (Bush Bashers) have used a new dumb argument that President Bush only won re-election because was running against a weak opponent or because of Soros, etc... President Bush won first and formost because people believed he is a true leader in this war on terror. Walter Mondale was much weaker than John Kerry if you make the comparison. Reagan had no way faced the unprecedented assault by liberals and their media whores as President Bush has endured since 2000. In fact no sitting President President in US history has been so savagely attacked by his opponents and their media as President Bush has been by liberals and their media. For him to win the 2004 election was a great achievement despite incredible odds.

Wasn't President Reagan who said that it is better to get 50% of what you want then getting nothing, it was President Reagan the one who started the Pragmatic conservatism.

PS: President Reagan gave us O'Connor and Kennedy, just a reminder.

257 posted on 10/17/2005 5:23:44 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: quidnunc
Card is covering his own rear here.

Rove & Cheney said no on this nomination from the get go and Andy is twisting by himself in the wind now

258 posted on 10/17/2005 5:26:22 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: ThePythonicCow
Well - there was one thing. She was leading the search for Supreme Court nominees. This would have given her a fair bit of experience with the issues involved there, and what were the criteria that Bush applied. And it would have given Bush a pretty good idea of whether she understood those criteria and seemed to meet them herself.

And she coached the judges for their hearings, including Roberts.
259 posted on 10/17/2005 5:27:04 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
And she coached the judges for their hearings, including Roberts.

And during the Reagan administration, Roberts coached Sandra Day O'Connor.

You really think this proves anything?
260 posted on 10/17/2005 5:32:28 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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