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To: faireturn

Uh, people don't get warrants to search other people.

If I don't want you bringing a gun (or any other thing) into or onto my property, that should be my right.


64 posted on 10/16/2005 4:24:24 PM PDT by Panic in the Streets ("Mayor, I've confirmed the data, the hippies ARE planning a massive jam band concert!"- Eric Cartman)
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To: Panic in the Streets
Panic in the Streets wrote:

I am pro 2A, but if someone doesn't want you bringing a gun onto their property, it should be their right.

Try to understand that my car is ~my~ property.

If you want to stop & search all cars before they enter your property, fine, get a warrant & do so.
Otherwise, live with Alaska's law, -- and with our nations 2nd amendment policy that says no infringements on our right to carry.

Uh, people don't get warrants to search other people.

You are nitpicking the issue.

If I don't want you bringing a gun (or any other thing) into or onto my property, that should be my right.

You have that right. You can put up a gate, and keep everyone out that refuses your search demands.
-- But once you let visitors on your property without a car search, their car is there legally, under the new Alaskan law.

Why would you object to a gun kept in your guests car?

70 posted on 10/16/2005 4:59:31 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: Panic in the Streets
Ok. Before we go trap and skeet shooting, we'l have 6 cars/trucks lined up for breakfast with my wife cooking a few dozen eggs and 6 pounds of bacon on the outdoor griddle.

Any new "toy" that is in the neighborhood is examined and admired for its characteristics.

As far as I am concerned, someone could bring an Abrahms tank over to our house for lunch, and I'd be happy. We'd feed the American GIs roast beef sandwiches, potatoe salad, hamburgers... you name it.

Bottom line? The United States Military is the ONLY portion of my taxpayer dollars that I would EVER - EVER want my money going to put food into other American mouths.

/rant

83 posted on 10/16/2005 7:23:27 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Panic in the Streets; faireturn
If I don't want you bringing a gun (or any other thing) into or onto my property, that should be my right.

Actually, no. It is not your right.

There is a reason why the Second Amendment is the second, while private property only gets mentioned starting in Amendment 3.

The Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". That means what is says: shall not be infringed. Not by Congress. Not by your state. Not by your local municipality. Not by your local homeowners association. And not by you.

As a private property owner, you do have the constitutional right to decide who is and is not allowed onto your property. That is your right. However, by the Bill of Rights, you are NOT allowed to decided whether or not they may exercise their right to keep and bear arms while on your property. Unless you are willing to search everyone at the gate and specifically exclude those who are exercising their right to keep and bear arms, you are not empowered to make complaint about them exercising their rights after the fact. Now, if they abuse their right to keep and bear arms and engage in harmful behavior, that is a different matter entirely.

Of course this is really moot. I can see no rational reason why anyone should feel the need to exclude law abiding gun owners; they are not the problem. You can spend all the time you like around law abiding gun owners carrying concealed arms and never know it. It's the non-law abiding gun owners who are the problem, and they don't obey "gun control" laws or rules (it's kind of what makes them non-law abiding).

84 posted on 10/16/2005 7:25:24 PM PDT by pillbox_girl
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To: Panic in the Streets
If I don't want you bringing a gun (or any other thing) into or onto my property, that should be my right.

To your logic. If I were invited to your home for a soiree for dinner with a prime rib and a carving knife, would you perform an iris scan, fingerprint scan, and report same to the FBI, CIA, and Homelan Security, and send emails to MI5?

(rolling eyes to jack-ass mentality)

Then again, some folks are clueless.

A clue.: Rewind 200 years ago.

89 posted on 10/16/2005 7:37:47 PM PDT by Cobra64
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