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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

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500+ Posts?

I'm leaving for the night (a mini ropadopus?) and I just want to summarize. Hard as it may be, I think the best thing we can do, is just support the President. We brought him to the dance, so lets dance with him a while longer.

More important I think, is that we figure out how better get along. My contribution to that will be to provide no further declarations of outrage and plans to leave. I really blew it with that. I was pissed off at the Ann Coulter thread and let it get to me.

Then I get this information and felt like an idiot, so I thought I better talk about it. Our strength comes from our unity, and I hope in the future my comments on this forum will help accomplish that.

Be aware, people in government DO read this place. Often. So make yourselves heard, but do it with respect and dignity. Never let your posts be held up as fodder like so many of those from the idiots at DU. Free Republic is an example of the best in Conservatism.

Glad to be here.

Have a good evening FReepers.
581 posted on 10/09/2005 6:34:35 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Thank you for making this point!!

582 posted on 10/09/2005 6:34:40 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sam Cree

Out of curiosity, why is that?


583 posted on 10/09/2005 6:35:03 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Cautor

Law firms always give to both parties. It's called hedging your bet. Contributions from corporate America are akin to protection money. There is plenty out there to cause doubt about Miers, but I don't think this is it.


584 posted on 10/09/2005 6:36:42 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: maryz

He was recruited by Harry Reed and the DNC despite his being pro-life (a Socialist otherwise.) The DNC and the Governor, Ed Rendell (former head of DNC) courted him and promised unlimited funds to take on Santorum. He will not only have all the Dimwit votes from Philly but all the manufactured ones they can make from the dead and non-existant come election day. I seriously doubt that Santorum can win since there will be a huge defection of pro-life Democrats in W. PA, his conservative base is p.o.'d at him over Specter-Toomey and with Rendell running for governor again, they will have the machine cranked up churning out those votes by the millions. Once Philly turns in a certain #, it's not possible to win if everyone else in the rest of the state votes for you. Every election cycle the number of people living in Philly gets smaller and the number of registered votes gets higher. In '04, they reached and exceeded the possible number of living voters just like some of the Ohio counties did. It won't stop them from manufacturing some more for '06 unfortunately.


585 posted on 10/09/2005 6:37:02 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Pukin Dog; bitt; All
The plural of "opus" is "opera." So to get technical, redoing the opus thing should be a "re-opera." Thanks for putting up with this geek moment.

John / Billybob
586 posted on 10/09/2005 6:37:02 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Bush plays chess, while his opponents are playing checkers.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Bush doen't run scared. However, when you have certain senators who either have liberal constituencies or are in safe seats, there isn't much you can do.

The sad fact is that these weasels will hold up a SC vote because they want more aid for Louisiana or Mississippi, or a rainforest dome in Iowa, or any number of other issues. The only people hey are afraid of are their constituents or the liberal press.

587 posted on 10/09/2005 6:38:24 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

So if you string a few opii together you got yourself an opera? Live and learn.


588 posted on 10/09/2005 6:38:31 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Miss Marple
The only people hey are afraid of are their constituents or the liberal press.

That is where we can make a difference.

589 posted on 10/09/2005 6:40:23 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas

"Law firms always give to both parties. It's called hedging your bet. "

So you're telling me she and her firm hedged their bets. Wonder who's side she would have been on if Gore had won. I suppose she would have stayed at Locke Liddell and sucked up to the Dems even more. I am glad to hear Miers hedges her bets. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.


590 posted on 10/09/2005 6:40:49 PM PDT by Cautor (,)
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To: maryz
What do the Dems do to enforce party discipline? Do they keep a couple of guys who will shoot off kneecaps if anyone steps out of line? They're doing something!

Actually, that's a great question which goes to the heart of our present crisis.

US Senators, for the most part, come from the non-producing upper class. They either inherited money, or made money nonproductively (in finance, for example).

They all, or almost all, went to elite schools and all of their friends are members of the social and political elite (the rare exception, like Coburn, proves the rule).

This elite non-producing class has certain common prejudices and beliefs. Of all of them sexual "freedom" and the corollary "right" to kill undesired babies is one of the strongest.

The Democratic senators don't need any discipline. Their side, the death side, is what they all believe already.

The Republicans, however, have depended on pro-life votes for their seats. Most of them who say they are committed to pro-life justices are lying.

They therefore have a strong (or very strong) incentive not to vote.

There are not 20 Senators who would vote to confirm a pro-life nominee, IF their vote was #51.

591 posted on 10/09/2005 6:41:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: penowa
In '04, they reached and exceeded the possible number of living voters just like some of the Ohio counties did.

I seem to recall reading of a number of Justice Department investigations into voting "irregularities" going on quietly. I wonder if PA is among them.

Thanks again for the info!

592 posted on 10/09/2005 6:42:02 PM PDT by maryz
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To: pollyannaish
There is never any reason to apologize when you say something nice to someone. And I always look forward to bumping into people "officially." LOL.

John / Billybob
593 posted on 10/09/2005 6:42:30 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Bush plays chess, while his opponents are playing checkers.)
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To: Cautor

Your welcome. Not just Miers though, ALL lawyers. That's why we hate them and our government is so screwed up. It's run mostly, by lawyers.


594 posted on 10/09/2005 6:43:01 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Pukin Dog

Maybe Rudy said no, but Kristol was on TV right before Bush's speech swearing that it would be Guiliani. I was quite pleased to see Ridge named just to see Kristol's grin wiped off his face.


595 posted on 10/09/2005 6:43:15 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: FreeReign

1) I have no evidence she is an originalist.

2) IF, as said, he has calculated he cannot appoint the BEST people for the position because they are known Strict Constructionists the weasels are threatening to refuse, and IF we have Senators attempting to protect terrorist rights which we do, and IF we have Senators trying to withdraw us prematurely from Iraq which we DO, and IF we have Senators trying to hike our taxes which we DO, and IF we have Senators trying to slowly contrict all free speech which we DO Etc etc ...

You expose them NOW while the President is STILL standard bearer of the Party before real jockeying begins in fall '06-'07, on a topic HE has the advantage of strength on.

Two years from now he will be weaker then he is now, and that is when the traitors will pounce and our country is in true jeopardy at that point in the WOT if Iraq is not stabilized because I guarentee moves will be made to deny funding at that point. They need to be exposed now.


596 posted on 10/09/2005 6:43:34 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: Pukin Dog

You've lost your marbles. Next thing you know you'll be praising Osama.


597 posted on 10/09/2005 6:44:17 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth
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To: TheHound
So then you are someone with no definite definition (politically) who sees the GOP as a money grabbing organization, except; as you might be old fashioned and subscribing to the status quo. Thanks.

You're welcome. Just to clarify, "status quo" in my comment referred to age old society, not to the present subversion of the Constituion practiced by the current ruling class.

598 posted on 10/09/2005 6:44:23 PM PDT by Cboldt
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I found this interesting article on powerlineblog.com. It was written by Huge Hewitt. Good advice for us here to consider. Read this:

I'm glad to see Hugh Hewitt emphasize the need for mutual respect among conservatives in the Miers debate. The Bush "loyalists" and others who support the Miers selection should respect the right of disappointed conservatives to forcefully air their critique. Not only is this their right, but such commentary provides useful feedback to the administration about the sentiments of a portion of its supporters. At the same time, the critics should respect the expectation of the loyalists that the vote on Miers not be driven by disappointment or punitive considerations, but rather by an open-minded assessment of the options.

Finally, both sides should respect the good faith of the other, as we all try to sort through this messy situation. Not everyone who undertakes an open-minded assessment will reach the same conclusion, and it's fine to criticize reasoning and conclusions with which one takes issue. But calling fellow conservatives toadies, bed-wetters, or elitists, or telling them to just shut up, is immature and unhelpful. Let's leave that sort of thing to the left.


599 posted on 10/09/2005 6:44:26 PM PDT by dmw
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To: pollyannaish

Bork thinks that RKBA is outdated, so I have read. I also consider him to be a believer in the idea that government can take a large role in ordering society. Otherwise, he may understand rather well the responsibilities of a Supreme Court Justice. But if I am correct on my first 2 objections, then he is not qualified in my book, fwiw.


600 posted on 10/09/2005 6:44:42 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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