Posted on 10/09/2005 12:13:05 PM PDT by pitinkie
That's why good gops deserve the utomst respect, because they have to and can put all the personal crap aside and enforce the laws with complete fairness. Whatever was happening should not mean that some old dude has 3-4 big thugs with badges come smash him in the head (Not meaning to imply thses cops were thugs).
I couldn't get away with that behavior because of stuff in my personal life. No one should.
When I see the papers now, with the headlines such as "5 officers needed to subdue man"... I know that none of them knew what the hell they were doing.
I've seen alot of pig piles (pun intended) with 3,4, 5 cops all grabbing at a guy trying to control him. I just stand back and laugh, watching opportunities for techniques pass guys by. I tell them too..."oh, you just missed a kesa or a juji...
They don't know what I'm talking about. And I'm certainly not ready for the Ultimate Fighting Championships. But, I can hold my own. And I know better than to jump on an already big pile. Alot of guys dont, they are just trying to help, so it doesn't look good, especially when they are all doing their own thing and the guy is still fighting.
Then again, I've seem people on PCP that could get hit with a bus and it wouldn't stop them. I'm sure you have too.
A few PCP memories come to mind. We had a guy about 70 who was still powerlifting. He didn't fight with me but I had to pull him off another guy. Real strong for 70 years old.
Precisely
Another Rodney King
I found another thread with the same theme, this other one has a couple of college drop-out witnesses to the 'assault.'
I started reminiscing about the 'good old days' of law enforcement. If something like this happened back then, all of the cops would have pulled out their jacks and slaps and it would have really been ugly.
Guess were kinder and gentler now. And getting sued, arrested and fired for it.
I feel a rant coming on.
First they took jacks away from us because too many people were getting hurt and it didn't look good.
Then they took the choke away from us because it was "killing minorities." In reality guys were doing it wrong.
Then they took pepper spray away because it caused asthma deaths.
Now they are threatening to take tazers away because people have been killed.
So, what's a guy supposed to do?
Use live ammunition and friendly juries ?
I'm feeling liberal tonight. I think the rules need to be much more liberal. I think there need to be more perps shot to death and more executions until it is the criminals who fear to walk our streets rather than the innocent citizens.
Amen.
Whiskey for my men and beer for my horses hahahahahaha
I support public stonings with the state charging for the stones to all who want to participate.
I'm more liberal than you. I think the government has an obligation to provide stones to those who cannot afford them.
ZOT - TROLL! lol. I can't seem to go along with that.
I'll still take you up on the beer and pizza.
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hahaha.. OK... deal. We're busy tonight, gonna break our record I think (at the pizza shop)
I'm taking a beating on the other thread. Right now anyhow.
Thanks. I tell all the rookies I train to take up some type of grappling. It's the best things for police. I have taken judo, sombo & karate. Judo and sombo are best for police work in my humble opinion.
You be safe too, been nice chatting with you fellas.
One of the guys I work with was just in here. He got in a car chase, bad guy ran his car through somebody's house. The bad guy bailed out and ran into a vacant duplex with two of our guys in foot pursuit.
They caught him on the second floor and he fought. The other cop hit the guy in the head with his fist.
He just went to the hospital, probably has a broken hand.
I have no problem with the cop doing what he did in that scenario. I hope he's ok. I broke my hands several times as a teen racing MX, and they don't work nearly as well now because of it. Why don't you guys use the maglite more often?
It seems in the NOLA case the cops came up to the guy and started to either punch his head or smash it into the wall. The guy was resisting after that, but self preservation instincts are hard to argue with.
We're not allowed to hit anybody in the head with a flashlight, club or jack anymore. The Malice Green incident is a good example, two detectives hit Green with their flashlights and he died.
Best thing is submission holds, in my opinion.
And the carotid choke.
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