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Worldly word:New Bible texts translate the Bible away
WORLD ^ | October 15, 2005 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 10/07/2005 8:38:02 AM PDT by Caleb1411

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To: Caleb1411

I'm annoyed by the whole "10 Commandments" idea. Can we change it to "8 Suggestions"? Thou shouldn't ___________ (unless thou really feels like it). < /sarcasm>


41 posted on 10/07/2005 9:31:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (We were promised someone in the Scalia/Thomas mold. Maybe next time.)
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To: Bahbah

I wonder if one of the disciples was renamed "Bulwinkle."


42 posted on 10/07/2005 9:31:44 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sans-Culotte
The pastor at the Presbyterian USA church of which my wife and I are members has already started inserting the Father-Mother thing.

Have you tried a PCA (Presbyterian Church of America) or Orthdox Presbyterian church? You won't find any of that nonsense in either one of them.

43 posted on 10/07/2005 9:32:58 AM PDT by lupie
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To: bereanway

It includes the Gospel of Thomas???

I'm sorry, but bending over backwards to make a bible PC and then including the Gospel of Thomas???

That's kind of like the MC, "I must apologize to the audience for permitting the last act on stage. I can't believe he said 'Afro-Americans,' when the term is 'African-American.' Now here's D.J. Sambo the Cop-Killer singing 'The Final Solution: Ahm So Lazy 'Cuz Ah Miss My Plantation.'"

I know the Gospel of Thomas is a favorite among writers (By the way, if you're going for offensive anyway, skip the dull DaVinci code and go straight for the jaw-droppingly offensive but at least provocative movie, "Stigmata.") who like to promote the notion that there are ancient stories of Christ which were rejected for inclusion in the bible, but I seriously wonder how many have ever read the Gospel of Thomas. It's from an ascetic, celibate sect with some revoltingly non-modern ideas.


44 posted on 10/07/2005 9:33:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SmartCitizen
King James does not alter key contexts and concepts, like GENDER

Sir Francis Bacon left the Gospel of Saint Thomas out of the King James version. That sure does seem to alter the key concept of gender.
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45 posted on 10/07/2005 9:34:07 AM PDT by radioman
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To: xzins

My thoughts exactly... read post #32.


46 posted on 10/07/2005 9:34:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Bahbah
Even names are changed: Peter, Nicodemus, and Bethsaida become "Rocky," "Ray," and "Fishtown."
How ever did they come up with these names. LOL. This is ridiculous.

Although it is highly unusual to translate foreign-language based proper nouns (my own name in real life would, if translated, be a rather long phrase) "Rocky" is a reasonable translation of "Peter" or "Cephas". I don't know what "Bethsaida" means. They must have been smoking something to get "Ray" out of "Nicodemus".

As for the rest, what they have produced is not the Bible, and is arguably blasphemous.

47 posted on 10/07/2005 9:35:29 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

>> The pastor at the Presbyterian USA church of which my wife and I are members has already started inserting the Father-Mother thing. <<

What do you expect from a church named PC-USA?


48 posted on 10/07/2005 9:36:14 AM PDT by dangus
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To: TonyRo76
» several nuns who consider themselves "priests" I wonder if Shine-head O'Connor is one of them.

Put some lipstick on that pig.


49 posted on 10/07/2005 9:36:19 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of an 22 month old son with Down Syndrome)
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To: Caleb1411

Gimme that old time religion, it's good enuf for me.


50 posted on 10/07/2005 9:36:38 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Bahbah

Rocky for Peter (petra) is understandable, and Bethsaida was a fishing village on the Sea of Galilee. Ray for Nicodemus? Ya got me on that one.


51 posted on 10/07/2005 9:37:56 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: dangus; xzins; TonyRo76
...with some revoltingly non-modern ideas.

It's all about homosexuality. The gay agenda trumps everything.

52 posted on 10/07/2005 9:38:21 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: TonyRo76

Oops... I should've read your link before commenting. I had been very impressed by a concert a friend of mine dragged me too, but it looks like she fell off the deep end again. Whenever I defend a singer based on her music, I should always remember that the song "Respect Yourself," featured a video promoting bondage and sexual sado-masochistic humiliation.


53 posted on 10/07/2005 9:38:49 AM PDT by dangus
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To: xzins

Oops, I mean post #44.


54 posted on 10/07/2005 9:39:53 AM PDT by dangus
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To: wideawake

Just amazing how the Bible predicts such, Christ will return when his Church no longer exists on this earth....this is just one more step in that direction.....


55 posted on 10/07/2005 9:39:58 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: Caleb1411
"Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us" becomes "Jesus Christ, who gave self for us"

Yetch. I'm not going to argue that New King James is the best translation, but at least it's readable! And if you've got the Internet, you can easily enough check out the original language anyhow...

56 posted on 10/07/2005 9:45:15 AM PDT by Amity
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To: DryFly

If nothing else, Fishtown is stupid. OK, suppose we are translating the bible culturally... Do you call any fishing villages, "Fishtown?" How about Fish Harbor, at least? Fishport? Bethesda?

As for Ray... I'm stumped, also. I would suggest Victor, instead... if I were one to screw with the bible, that is.


57 posted on 10/07/2005 9:46:30 AM PDT by dangus
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58 posted on 10/07/2005 9:46:33 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I don't know what "Bethsaida" means.

Literally, "House of fish." We start calling the state of Colorado "red" (or "ruddy," if having an offical red state is too confusing), and Utah "People of the Mountains," and Michigan "Big Sea Water", then I'll see the logic behind changing Bethsaida to "Fishtown"...

59 posted on 10/07/2005 9:50:01 AM PDT by Amity
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To: absolootezer0
how many times have prior translations have been changed since the original texts in greek/ hebrew?

There have been legions of unknown people who have copied, faithfully, the "original" OT and NT Hebrew and Greek texts. For example, multiple copies and fragments of John's gospel are known to exist. Despite being spread out over time and space, these texts are amazingly consistent. Another example is the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are (IIRC) ~900 years older than previously-known OT documents. The differences in the texts over 900 years are minor.

60 posted on 10/07/2005 9:50:24 AM PDT by Fudd
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