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Evolution and intelligent design Life is a cup of tea
Economist ^ | 10/6/05 | Economist

Posted on 10/07/2005 4:59:16 AM PDT by shuckmaster

How should evolution be taught in schools? This being America, judges will decide

HALF of all Americans either don't know or don't believe that living creatures evolved. And now a Pennsylvania school board is trying to keep its pupils ignorant. It is the kind of story about America that makes secular Europeans chortle smugly before turning to the horoscope page. Yet it is more complex than it appears.

In Harrisburg a trial began last week that many are comparing to the Scopes “monkey” trial of 1925, when a Tennessee teacher was prosecuted for teaching Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. Now the gag is on the other mouth. In 1987 the Supreme Court ruled that teaching creationism in public-school science classes was an unconstitutional blurring of church and state. But those who think Darwinism unGodly have fought back.

Last year, the school board in Dover, a small rural school district near Harrisburg, mandated a brief disclaimer before pupils are taught about evolution. They are to be told that “The theory [of evolution] is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence.” And that if they wish to investigate the alternative theory of “intelligent design”, they should consult a book called “Of Pandas and People” in the school library.

Eleven parents, backed by the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State, two lobby groups, are suing to have the disclaimer dropped. Intelligent design, they say, is merely a clever repackaging of creationism, and as such belongs in a sermon, not a science class.

The school board's defence is that intelligent design is science, not religion. It is a new theory, which holds that present-day organisms are too complex to have evolved by the accumulation of random mutations, and must have been shaped by some intelligent entity. Unlike old-style creationism, it does not explicitly mention God. It also accepts that the earth is billions of years old and uses more sophisticated arguments to poke holes in Darwinism.

Almost all biologists, however, think it is bunk. Kenneth Miller, the author of a popular biology textbook and the plaintiffs' first witness, said that, to his knowledge, every major American scientific organisation with a view on the subject supported the theory of evolution and dismissed the notion of intelligent design. As for “Of Pandas and People”, he pronounced that the book was “inaccurate and downright false in every section”.

The plaintiffs have carefully called expert witnesses who believe not only in the separation of church and state but also in God. Mr Miller is a practising Roman Catholic. So is John Haught, a theology professor who testified on September 30th that life is like a cup of tea.

To illustrate the difference between scientific and religious “levels of understanding”, Mr Haught asked a simple question. What causes a kettle to boil? One could answer, he said, that it is the rapid vibration of water molecules. Or that it is because one has asked one's spouse to switch on the stove. Or that it is “because I want a cup of tea.” None of these explanations conflicts with the others. In the same way, belief in evolution is compatible with religious faith: an omnipotent God could have created a universe in which life subsequently evolved.

It makes no sense, argued the professor, to confuse the study of molecular movements by bringing in the “I want tea” explanation. That, he argued, is what the proponents of intelligent design are trying to do when they seek to air their theory—which he called “appalling theology”—in science classes.

Darwinism has enemies mostly because it is not compatible with a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis. Intelligent designers deny that this is why they attack it, but this week the court was told by one critic that the authors of “Of Pandas and People” had culled explicitly creationist language from early drafts after the Supreme Court barred creationism from science classes.

In the Dover case, intelligent design appears to have found unusually clueless champions. If the plaintiffs' testimony is accurate, members of the school board made no effort until recently to hide their religious agenda. For years, they expressed pious horror at the idea of apes evolving into men and tried to make science teachers teach old-fashioned creationism. (The board members in question deny, or claim not to remember, having made remarks along these lines at public meetings.)

Intelligent design's more sophisticated proponents, such as the Discovery Institute in Seattle, are too polite to say they hate to see their ideas championed by such clods. They should not be surprised, however. America's schools are far more democratic than those in most other countries. School districts are tiny—there are 501 in Pennsylvania alone—and school boards are directly elected. In a country where 65% of people think that creationism and evolution should be taught side by side, some boards inevitably agree, and seize upon intelligent design as the closest approximation they think they can get away with. But they may not be able to get away with it for long. If the case is appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, intelligent design could be labelled religious and barred from biology classes nationwide.


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To: HiTech RedNeck
Again from history, the Roman slavery was an indentured servitude kind of thing.

Sure, that's why Spartacus and several tens of thousands of other slaves risked (and eventually succumbed to) death to fight against their masters rather than just wait until their indenture ended.

521 posted on 10/09/2005 8:17:50 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior
I've never been in it for the reward or to avoid punishment, so any good I do is simply because I want to do it, not because I'm being forced to

No one is being forced to do anything, and you'd be hard pressed to demonstrate that they are, regardless of what their motivations may or may not be.

That said, all desires are by definition inherently selfish, and as such, it seeks out it's own reward, however sublte and benign it might occasionally seem to be, as in your statement above.

522 posted on 10/09/2005 8:58:54 PM PDT by csense
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To: js1138
"the most amazing justification for power grabbing imaginable. By this line of reasoning, any who manages to achieve power by any means has the mantle of God."

That's right. That Chapter contains their justification for the divine right of kings. In reality though, it is nothing more than pragmatism on Paul's part. God said give to Ceasar's what is Ceasar's and to God what's God's. It's obvious to all but the tyrant, that a man's will belongs to himself and even the tyrant knows he has to take it by force, or fraud.

523 posted on 10/09/2005 10:06:26 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Romans 13:1-2, Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

Be interesting to hear Thatcherite and gumlegs interpretation of this Bible verse. They think that they are so versed in Biblical interpretation we are supposed to accept their interpretation.

524 posted on 10/09/2005 10:59:40 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Junior

Wow. Those sure are some creditable links. But then again mitharis isn't creditable anyway.


525 posted on 10/09/2005 11:02:12 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Junior
Since you're the one who considers slavery to be all right as long as the government sanctions it, I'd lay money it will be people like you who obviate the Constitution eventually.

No I won't be. The courts are already taking care of that.

526 posted on 10/09/2005 11:03:46 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Ichneumon

And who do you credit with your belief in mitharis?


527 posted on 10/09/2005 11:05:05 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Junior

I feel sorry for you and all those who think the same way as you do.


528 posted on 10/09/2005 11:11:17 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

You say Mithras is not credible, but you really offer nothing other than your faith in another diety as an explanation.


529 posted on 10/10/2005 3:13:15 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: csense
Many folks on these threads have claimed that the only reason anyone does good is because God keeps them in check through promise of reward or fear of punishment. Hence they claim, without evidence, that without God all men would resort to looting and rapine.

This is classic projection on their parts.

530 posted on 10/10/2005 3:17:26 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: taxesareforever
I feel sorry for a person who has such a twisted interpretation of Scripture that he believes it justifies all abuses of the government, because "that's the government God gave us."

I'm glad the founding fathers had a more mature view of the world than you.

531 posted on 10/10/2005 3:34:27 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: taxesareforever

BTW, those links were provided to show you (and any other creationists out there) that research is a fairly simple matter in this day of the internet. Y'all don't need to keep stumbling or saying stupid things when arguing with us. You can use five minutes on Google to get your facts straight first.


532 posted on 10/10/2005 3:36:57 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: taxesareforever
I've already posted my interpretation. According to this, we should be pleading with England to take us back.

I don't expect you (or anyone), to accept my interpretation. I also don't expect you (or anyone), to expect me to accept your/their interpretation.

Tell me again why the your interpretation of the Bible should control what's taught as science.

533 posted on 10/10/2005 10:27:45 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Junior
You can use five minutes on Google to get your facts straight first.

That would be a first!

534 posted on 10/10/2005 10:30:00 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: taxesareforever
Romans 13:1-2, Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

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Be interesting to hear Thatcherite and gumlegs interpretation of this Bible verse. They think that they are so versed in Biblical interpretation we are supposed to accept their interpretation.

I'll give you my interpretation; It's wrong.

535 posted on 10/10/2005 10:55:21 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: newsgatherer; spunkets
Have you ever read and/or studied the Bible?

Don't lie, for if you say yes and I start to proof it to you using Scripture it will become apparant real fast wheter you are truthful or not.

I make no claims to biblical scholarship. That is your department.

Failure to point out the biblical passage that declares that the Grand Canyon was formed in the flood noted. Chalk up another lie to NewsGatherer (pending NewsGatherer managing to produce such a quote, yeah, right).

536 posted on 10/10/2005 11:38:20 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: eleni121
Except evolutionists look at the sky and wonder for all the wrong reasons.

Interesting, what is a wrong reason to wonder? What would a right reason be?

537 posted on 10/10/2005 11:48:04 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Coyoteman

Gotta give you credit. We know where you stand.


538 posted on 10/10/2005 11:54:59 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Gumlegs
Tell me again why the your interpretation of the Bible should control what's taught as science.

I don't want my interpretation taught in schools any more than I want evolution taught in schools.

539 posted on 10/10/2005 11:56:22 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

I'm with you on the interpretation. I'm with you on the biblical interpretation of the slavery issue too. Go figure.


540 posted on 10/10/2005 11:57:14 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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