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Evolution and intelligent design Life is a cup of tea
Economist ^ | 10/6/05 | Economist

Posted on 10/07/2005 4:59:16 AM PDT by shuckmaster

How should evolution be taught in schools? This being America, judges will decide

HALF of all Americans either don't know or don't believe that living creatures evolved. And now a Pennsylvania school board is trying to keep its pupils ignorant. It is the kind of story about America that makes secular Europeans chortle smugly before turning to the horoscope page. Yet it is more complex than it appears.

In Harrisburg a trial began last week that many are comparing to the Scopes “monkey” trial of 1925, when a Tennessee teacher was prosecuted for teaching Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. Now the gag is on the other mouth. In 1987 the Supreme Court ruled that teaching creationism in public-school science classes was an unconstitutional blurring of church and state. But those who think Darwinism unGodly have fought back.

Last year, the school board in Dover, a small rural school district near Harrisburg, mandated a brief disclaimer before pupils are taught about evolution. They are to be told that “The theory [of evolution] is not a fact. Gaps in the theory exist for which there is no evidence.” And that if they wish to investigate the alternative theory of “intelligent design”, they should consult a book called “Of Pandas and People” in the school library.

Eleven parents, backed by the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State, two lobby groups, are suing to have the disclaimer dropped. Intelligent design, they say, is merely a clever repackaging of creationism, and as such belongs in a sermon, not a science class.

The school board's defence is that intelligent design is science, not religion. It is a new theory, which holds that present-day organisms are too complex to have evolved by the accumulation of random mutations, and must have been shaped by some intelligent entity. Unlike old-style creationism, it does not explicitly mention God. It also accepts that the earth is billions of years old and uses more sophisticated arguments to poke holes in Darwinism.

Almost all biologists, however, think it is bunk. Kenneth Miller, the author of a popular biology textbook and the plaintiffs' first witness, said that, to his knowledge, every major American scientific organisation with a view on the subject supported the theory of evolution and dismissed the notion of intelligent design. As for “Of Pandas and People”, he pronounced that the book was “inaccurate and downright false in every section”.

The plaintiffs have carefully called expert witnesses who believe not only in the separation of church and state but also in God. Mr Miller is a practising Roman Catholic. So is John Haught, a theology professor who testified on September 30th that life is like a cup of tea.

To illustrate the difference between scientific and religious “levels of understanding”, Mr Haught asked a simple question. What causes a kettle to boil? One could answer, he said, that it is the rapid vibration of water molecules. Or that it is because one has asked one's spouse to switch on the stove. Or that it is “because I want a cup of tea.” None of these explanations conflicts with the others. In the same way, belief in evolution is compatible with religious faith: an omnipotent God could have created a universe in which life subsequently evolved.

It makes no sense, argued the professor, to confuse the study of molecular movements by bringing in the “I want tea” explanation. That, he argued, is what the proponents of intelligent design are trying to do when they seek to air their theory—which he called “appalling theology”—in science classes.

Darwinism has enemies mostly because it is not compatible with a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis. Intelligent designers deny that this is why they attack it, but this week the court was told by one critic that the authors of “Of Pandas and People” had culled explicitly creationist language from early drafts after the Supreme Court barred creationism from science classes.

In the Dover case, intelligent design appears to have found unusually clueless champions. If the plaintiffs' testimony is accurate, members of the school board made no effort until recently to hide their religious agenda. For years, they expressed pious horror at the idea of apes evolving into men and tried to make science teachers teach old-fashioned creationism. (The board members in question deny, or claim not to remember, having made remarks along these lines at public meetings.)

Intelligent design's more sophisticated proponents, such as the Discovery Institute in Seattle, are too polite to say they hate to see their ideas championed by such clods. They should not be surprised, however. America's schools are far more democratic than those in most other countries. School districts are tiny—there are 501 in Pennsylvania alone—and school boards are directly elected. In a country where 65% of people think that creationism and evolution should be taught side by side, some boards inevitably agree, and seize upon intelligent design as the closest approximation they think they can get away with. But they may not be able to get away with it for long. If the case is appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, intelligent design could be labelled religious and barred from biology classes nationwide.


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To: js1138
It's better than the racially based system we had in this country, because under the Bible's system, everyone can hope to be a slave.
461 posted on 10/09/2005 9:27:35 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; taxesareforever
"So for you(taxesareforever), whatever the government does is just fine and dandy?"

That's right. That's why I was given Titus 3, Titus 3:9 in particular, "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless."

Taxes' sees slavery as something that amounts to essentially nothing, a foolish controversy. Tyrants with such a sense of justice are incapable of knowing God, because it's not God they're after. It's the power of God they are after, the power to coerce others to conform to their will, for their own glory.

Taxes' crowd will tell you what to think. No one is allowed to think on their own, unless they come up with the same nonsense. That their claims are nonsense, that's evident. The only way to support nonsense is with the tools of the con, deception, namecalling and condemnation. Muhammed's con used violence and tossed in the promise of virgins for effect.

462 posted on 10/09/2005 9:28:15 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Thatcherite

Oops, bad post, it looks as if I am ROFLing about the holocaust. I was actually ROFLing Gumlegs "Everyone can hope to be a slave" post.


464 posted on 10/09/2005 9:41:16 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: taxesareforever
"God allows governments to be established. If the government makes it lawful to have slaves run amuck who am I to say government cannot do that.
465 posted on 10/09/2005 9:47:07 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Gumlegs
The Good Shepherd
466 posted on 10/09/2005 9:50:17 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Gumlegs
Every year in Rome, in the middle of winter, the Son of God was born one more, putting an end to darkness. Every year at first minute of December 25th the temple of Mithras was lit with candles, priests in in white garments celebrated the birth of the Son of God and boys burned incense. Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their sin. He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God."

Agnus and her sister Doris Dei.

467 posted on 10/09/2005 9:51:41 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Gumlegs
Whenever these apologists for slavery declare that it is not something that they necessarily disapprove of I get the impression that they think of themselves as the owner rather than the slave. Would they be quite so approving if they were to be one of the slaves?

Me, I'm hoping to be Cameron Diaz's slave once the literal theocrats get into power, or maybe Nicole Kidman's. But I bet they'd only want me to carry their luggage and hoover the bedroom. Shucks.

468 posted on 10/09/2005 9:51:52 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Just mythoughts
Furthermore, there are alllll kinds of slavery, one need not be in physical shackles to be enslaved. Personally speaking taking my tax dollars and funding the TOE is a type of slavery.

It is a curious form of slavery when you are completely free to leave to somewhere else where your taxes will not be used in that way. A very curious form of slavery... Oh yes, I get it, it isn't slavery at all, you are just talking your usual nonsense.

Complete failure to confront literalist pro-slaver noted.

469 posted on 10/09/2005 9:55:34 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Why should people criticize those that they agree with?

Indeed. I feel justified in drawing my own conclusions from the deafening sound of chirping crickets on the creationist side.

470 posted on 10/09/2005 10:02:07 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
pregiarism is much worse than plagiarism.
471 posted on 10/09/2005 10:10:13 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Gumlegs
It's better than the racially based system we had in this country, because under the Bible's system, everyone can hope to be a slave.

That would invoke the categorical imperative.

472 posted on 10/09/2005 10:17:16 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Gumlegs
It's better than the racially based system we had in this country, because under the Bible's system, everyone can hope to be a slave.

That would invoke the categorical imperative.

473 posted on 10/09/2005 10:17:50 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: taxesareforever

So much for an "inalienable right" to liberty, huh?


474 posted on 10/09/2005 10:37:12 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: shuckmaster
An adopted slave of an Egyptian pharaoh with access to the royal library concocted a book of verses that combined plagiarized Sumerian and Babylonian (Iraqi) tablets with the oral traditions of a wandering tribe of bronze age goat herders and four thousand years later you want to force it into 21st century science class believing the masses are too stupid to see through the charlatan pseudo science called intelligent design. You'll see soon enough that you should have been happy with your freedom of religion and kept your fanatic superstitions out of courtrooms and science classes where you can't possibly win.

Hmmm... You care to rephrase that with a little bit less bigoted hatred toward Christianity? I do not know how studying fossils allowed you to come to these conclusions -I think you take much dramatic license with this "science"?

475 posted on 10/09/2005 10:37:38 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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Another opportunity to draw your own conclusions placemarker.


476 posted on 10/09/2005 10:53:59 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite

I can imagine how you would interpret Bennett's comments on abortion. Same way you interpret mine and the same way you interpret the Bible.


477 posted on 10/09/2005 11:26:30 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Thatcherite
I would revolt against a government that sanctioned slavery. I understand that as you approve of slavery (which you have already clearly indicated) you wouldn't.

Please tell me what the difference would be between government sanctioned abortion and government sanctioned slavery?

478 posted on 10/09/2005 11:27:51 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Thatcherite

No group. Every person.


479 posted on 10/09/2005 11:28:59 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: js1138
I wonder what taxes thinks about the holocaust, which was sanctioned by government, "who God has put in power."

No difference between the holocaust, killing fields of Cambodia and Stalin. All were inspired by the devil. All are equally evil and all perpetrated by evil men. God does not say that only good governments will be instituted. How can they be when all people are sinful?

480 posted on 10/09/2005 11:32:42 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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