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To: jdhljc169

Not so fast. The long and the short of it is she didn't come to this dance with you, she came with "W". "W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine. She is not done until "W" says so.


4 posted on 10/06/2005 7:21:31 PM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Virginia Queen
Not so fast. The long and the short of it is she didn't come to this dance with you, she came with "W". "W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine. She is not done until "W" says so.

Did you read the Wall St. Journal piece on what Alexander Hamilton had to say about cronyism? It is amazing he was so prescient...but then, our Founding Fathers were. Give me a minute, and I will post the quotes to you.

I have no quarrel with whether Miers is qualified or not. Hamilton's words speak to why her situation should not be allowed. This is much like JFK appointing his unqualified brother (RFK) to be Attorney General. JFK said "trust me." That is not a good precedent.

As I said...I am looking up the WSJ piece now.

16 posted on 10/06/2005 7:30:10 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Virginia Queen

And "W" got to the dance in the car of his conservative base.

No base, no bush, no miers.

If you're going to use an analogy, make sure you're not just being selective with it.


17 posted on 10/06/2005 7:30:11 PM PDT by flashbunny (Suggested New RNC Slogan: "The Republican Party: Who else you gonna vote for?")
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To: Virginia Queen
from Federalist No. 76:

"To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity. . . . He would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure."

Harriet Miers is not just the close confidante of the president in her capacity as his staff secretary and then as White House counsel. She also was George W. Bush's personal lawyer. Apart from nominating his brother or former business partner, it is hard to see how the president could have selected someone who fit Hamilton's description any more closely. Imagine the reaction of Republicans if President Clinton had nominated Deputy White House Counsel Cheryl Mills, who had ably represented him during his impeachment proceedings, to the Supreme Court. How about Bernie Nussbaum?

As the quote from Hamilton suggests, the core purpose of Senate confirmation of presidential nominees is to screen out the appointment of "cronies," which Merriam-Webster defines as "a close friend especially of long standing." Cronyism is bad not only because it leads to less qualified judges, but also because we want a judiciary with independence from the executive branch. A longtime friend of the president who has served as his close personal and political adviser and confidante, no matter how fine a lawyer, can hardly be expected to be sufficiently independent--especially during the remaining term of her former boss.

28 posted on 10/06/2005 7:35:38 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Virginia Queen; All
Sorry...#28 should have been attributed to:

WSJ
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007354
Cronyism Alexander Hamilton wouldn't approve of Justice Harriet Miers
BY RANDY E. BARNETT
Tuesday, October 4, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

38 posted on 10/06/2005 7:39:46 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Virginia Queen
"She is not done until "W" says so."

I, like I presume you are, am reserving my final opinion until I have heard from this lady in front of the judiciary panel and as much information as possible is gathered. But that's all we can do is form an opinion. But "W" doesn't have the final say-so. The Senate will ultimately decide if she gets the gig or not. I think this is where the author is heading with her final comment.

The tide is starting to move against her and what I originally opined the day after she was nominated just might happen. If she doesn't get any Democrats, there might be more than enough Republicans who will vote to cut her loose. Information like what the author has presented just might be another straw added to the camel's back. FWIW.

86 posted on 10/06/2005 8:06:49 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Virginia Queen

>> Not so fast. The long and the short of it is she didn't come to this dance with you, she came with "W". "W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine. She is not done until "W" says so. <<

Maybe we're done with W.


100 posted on 10/06/2005 8:17:24 PM PDT by jaime1959
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To: Virginia Queen
Not so fast. The long and the short of it is she didn't come to this dance with you, she came with "W". "W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine. She is not done until "W" says so.

Spot ON!!!

165 posted on 10/06/2005 8:47:24 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Virginia Queen
Your theory that it is W's pick might be true if this were the British Empire, but it isn't. Maybe that's the problem: W does think he is the sole owner of his presidency. We had a part too. And his promises to us matter a whole lot. This is beginning to look inexcusable. I was willing to go along with him, but I am beginning to hear that this woman is just another "go along Sally, who does not do things independently or enagage in "even interesting conversation".

I always said that I knew people like th eClintons in Law School and that secured me in my distaste for them and a fairly accurate gauge. I am beginning to think that of Miers as well. Miss Neat Hard Worker, puddle deep intellectually. I am afraid that W does not have the capacities to know what is required in a Judge other than a slogan about "not making the law." Things are a little more complex than that and we need someone who is intellectually agile enough not to get caught up by the "appealing" aspects of leftist judicial thought.

198 posted on 10/06/2005 9:00:30 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: Virginia Queen
Not so fast. The long and the short of it is she didn't come to this dance with you, she came with "W". "W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine. She is not done until "W" says so.

I am starting to think he uses the same "ME" protocol for our borders.

293 posted on 10/06/2005 9:46:44 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Virginia Queen

You know, I kind of find what you say offensive. You make President Bush soundf like he's worse than Clinton and he thinks his supporters are scum. I volunteered to support his campaign and spent 30 hrs/wk working for his election. I don't think I'm dirt and I hope President Bush doesn't either. Did you feel Clinton was entitless to do whatever he wanted too?


334 posted on 10/06/2005 10:30:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Virginia Queen
"W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine. She is not done until "W" says so.

Screw that! He's not King, and he'd be well advised to reflect on what happened to the last King of the colonies.

379 posted on 10/06/2005 11:32:23 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Virginia Queen

The long and the short of it is she didn't come to this dance with you, she came with "W". "W" picked her, "W" wants her and this IS his dance to arrange, not yours or mine.




Who brought W to the dance? What tune is he dancing too now and who is he dancing with?

I think this little ole Southern Bell is smart. She started working for Conservatives and she finds Jesus and starts sending her cash the other way. If she really was such a God filled woman maybe she would realize that she is not qualified an step down.

Either way, I will reserve judgement until I hear her at the confirmation hearings. If she does not stand up for the thousands of innocent babies murdered every single day in this country then she should be voted down.

Conservative should ready their own gang of 14 together to prepare for a filibuster.

FIRE WITH FIRE


458 posted on 10/07/2005 1:33:54 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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