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Senate Supports Interrogation Limits (90-9 vote to protect terrorist detainees)
Washington Post ^ | Oct. 6, 2005 | Charles Babington and Shailagh Murray

Posted on 10/05/2005 8:08:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion

The Senate defied the White House yesterday and voted to set new limits on interrogating detainees in Iraq and elsewhere, underscoring Congress's growing concerns about reports of abuse of suspected terrorists and others in military custody.

Forty-six Republicans joined 43 Democrats and one independent in voting to define and limit interrogation techniques that U.S. troops may use against terrorism suspects, the latest sign that alarm over treatment of prisoners in the Middle East and at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is widespread in both parties. The White House had fought to prevent the restrictions, with Vice President Cheney visiting key Republicans in July and a spokesman yesterday repeating President Bush's threat to veto the larger bill that the language is now attached to -- a $440 billion military spending measure.

But last night, 89 senators sided with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a former prisoner of war in Vietnam who led the fight for the interrogation restrictions.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; d; gwot; interrogation; iraq; mccain; senate; spinelessrino; terror; terrorism; terrorists; un; waronterror
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To: Soul Seeker; Justanobody; Corin Stormhands; Gabz; concretebob

NAYs ---9
Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)

Thank you for posting this list. It looks like both of my Senators voted YES. I am distressed beyond words.


221 posted on 10/06/2005 9:16:13 AM PDT by Flora McDonald (got teufelhunden?)
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To: RedCell

I see this as pro-US soldier. Right now there are no clear guidelines as to what they can and cannot do. Our troops are confused. This will clear it up so that there is less confusion.


222 posted on 10/06/2005 9:18:12 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Acts 2:38

"I don't think Bush is aware he even has Veto power."

Tell me about it. I read somewhere that he hadn't vetoed one spending bill.


223 posted on 10/06/2005 9:19:41 AM PDT by YoungBlackRepublican ("I imagine a world of love, peace, and no wars. Then attacking it cause they wouldn't expect it!)
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To: johnmecainrino

I would like to see him veto it after it has set on his desk for the longest time period possible. That would give us time to remind our senators what is in their best interests. One of mine stood up, and one (Kay BH) fell down on the job.


224 posted on 10/06/2005 9:24:13 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: FairOpinion

Bull$hit.

The ONLY **ONLY** limit there should be is not putting a bullet in the guys head.


225 posted on 10/06/2005 9:28:52 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: conserv13
As a Libertarian, I would expect you to want LESS government interference, not more!

They, effectively, are telling the soldiers to comply with the "Army Field Manual" which was based on a WWII type of War.

They are NOT qualified to decide the "rules". They are sitting in Washington, after sending soldiers to give their lives for the WOT. Did they ask any actual soldiers who may not be clear on the rules what they thought? NO. This is insulting to the Military and our soldiers.

Every law that Congress passes is bent out of shape by the courts and the ACLU. All it will take is a terrorist to claim something offended them and our soldiers will be left holding the bag ...... I'm serious. Congress does not realize the effect of their "feel good" laws. Just think, the man who authored Campaign Finance Reform is telling our soldiers how they can interrogate prisoners while risking their lives. THINK ABOUT IT. It's shameful. If they really wanted to do this, they could have had the troops come up with a recommendation for "rules" and gone from there.
226 posted on 10/06/2005 9:31:37 AM PDT by Bush 100 Percent
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Who will win the war on terror?

We have the means, but not the will.
They have the will, but not the means.

Whoever get's what they lack first, will win.


227 posted on 10/06/2005 9:32:35 AM PDT by PsyOps
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To: MikeinIraq
The ONLY **ONLY** limit there should be is not putting a bullet in the guys head.

That shouldn't be banned either. We're at war, for cryin' out loud! That's what you DO in war: Hurt, capture, kill the enemy! ...wherever they are found, whatever country they come from.

The military already has the necessary rules and structure to deal with this. Torture is already against the rules. It does not happen. It did not happen. It will not happen.

This is nothing other than the Senate's collective hubris and power hunger on display. They hated the negative press from Abu Ghraib, hysterically exaggerated as it was, so much that they'll gladly sell the country down the river to give the "nice guys" appearance.

It's sickening.

228 posted on 10/06/2005 9:37:23 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Bush 100 Percent

"Did they ask any actual soldiers who may not be clear on the rules what they thought? NO. This is insulting to the Military and our soldiers."

"McCain said military officers have implored Congress for guidelines................McCain cited a letter he received from Army Capt. Ian Fishback, who has fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. "Over 17 months, he struggled to get answers from his chain of command to a basic question: What standards apply to the treatment of enemy detainees?" McCain said. "But he found no answers. . . . The Congress has a responsibility to answer this call.""


230 posted on 10/06/2005 9:52:32 AM PDT by Canard
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To: deviantSlims

Santorum voted yes.


231 posted on 10/06/2005 9:55:28 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Rock_n_Roll_Republican

Indicative that Pat Roberts voted against it....considering he is the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee...which means, that HE more than any of the others, knows the dangers out there....and what WE don't know.


232 posted on 10/06/2005 10:01:37 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mike Pence - George Allen for POTUS!!!! ;WBB in good standing!)
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To: Txsleuth

I'm calling Kay Bailey's office to give a piece of my mind. This is down right unforgivable, IMO.


233 posted on 10/06/2005 10:04:06 AM PDT by demkicker (Life has many choices. Eternity has only two. Which one have you chosen?)
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To: Soul Seeker

We still can hope that the Republicans in the House will have more GUTS and take this out of the final bill!!!


234 posted on 10/06/2005 10:04:28 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mike Pence - George Allen for POTUS!!!! ;WBB in good standing!)
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To: FairOpinion
S.AMDT.1977
Amends: H.R.2863
Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (submitted 10/3/2005)

COSPONSORS(4):

Sen Graham, Lindsey [SC] - 10/3/2005
Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE] - 10/3/2005
Sen Smith, Gordon H. [OR] - 10/3/2005
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] - 10/3/2005

The usual RINO clowns. These people need to be run out of Congress on a rail. Looking over that list of Senators near the top of the thread makes me realize just how many spineless Republicans we have in the Senate. I don't know how Bush gets anything passed through there (except I'm sure the spending bills have an easy time).

According the protections of the U.S. Constitution to terrorists worldwide. Unbelievable.

235 posted on 10/06/2005 10:05:20 AM PDT by Reagan is King (Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it)
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To: FairOpinion

scumbags- all of them


236 posted on 10/06/2005 10:06:31 AM PDT by petercooper (The Republican Party: We Suck Less.)
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To: FairOpinion
some have forgotten


237 posted on 10/06/2005 10:06:47 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: conserv13

238 posted on 10/06/2005 10:11:14 AM PDT by petercooper (The Republican Party: We Suck Less.)
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To: demkicker

I called Cornyn and Hutchison's office yesterday, because I was watching this on TV....and Warner and them were trying to slip this in under the radar....without a floor vote..

AND THEY STILL have managed to attach a bill, I think, with something like 100 amendments to it...and they won't be debated on the floor....so we won't know about any of them.

INTERESTINGLY, when all of the brou-haha started on the Senate floor about is amendment, that this article is about...Harry Reid came out and started having a HISSY-FIT....and said that this is "all about Katrina, and them no wanting an independent commission"...

Which was a total non-sequiter...and I still haven't figured out what that means...unless one of these secret amendments establishes a commission...

Also, Sen. Landrieu was up on the Senate floor until midnight last night complaining about not having enough $$$$$$$$$$$$ and wanting more, more, more!!!


239 posted on 10/06/2005 10:19:12 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mike Pence - George Allen for POTUS!!!! ;WBB in good standing!)
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To: TChris

nah we are better than having to put a bullet into someone's head. For prisoners, that becomes a release more than a threat anyway.


240 posted on 10/06/2005 10:20:02 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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