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Harriet Miers Attends Pro-Life Church, Pastor Opposes Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | October 4, 2005 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/04/2005 12:05:25 PM PDT by gpapa

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- When a Supreme Court nominee doesn't have a black and white record on abortion, groups on both sides of the abortion debate look for nuances that could show a glimpse of how the nominee would rule on the contentious issue. Pro-life advocates may have found one on Harriet Miers with regard to the pro-life evangelical church she attends.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; harrietmiers; prolife; righttolife
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To: Jedidah; frogjerk

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1112940,00.html


101 posted on 10/04/2005 1:45:22 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: adam_az

I provided the link, because the thread title was about her pastor. So I thought some insight might be helpful. But I wouldn't want to get in the way of your "we don't know anything about her" riff.


102 posted on 10/04/2005 1:46:31 PM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: adam_az
It's to get the best candidate in,

That word best means something different to lots of different people.... How you define best may be different than how I define best.

I don't care if the nominee is the best nominee or not. I just want one that will decide cases the way I think they should be decided :)

103 posted on 10/04/2005 1:47:27 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: adam_az

Look, I sympathize. The world is not what we'd like.

The RINOs exist.

The goal has to be to nominate the rightward most candidate who is confirmable. Both criteria are equally important.

This stealth candidate is heading towards confirmation and she is more conservative than O'Connor. The court moves rightward as a result.

An enormous victory for a brilliant team.


104 posted on 10/04/2005 1:50:48 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Jedidah
Comparing her to Roberts, another unproven choice, does nothing to reveal the kind of judge she will be.

What is her view of the power of the judiciary? Does she accept the modern fallacy that case law is supreme? What is her judicial philosophy?

105 posted on 10/04/2005 1:51:19 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: gpapa

church attended should not come into the discussion. of course, her attendance of an evangelical church with a prolife pastor gives christian conservatives heart and leftie libs great pause.

jay seculow of the center for law and justice has issued an online statement of confidence in her proffessional and conservative values. he has worked with her closely on several cases where aclj has filed an amicus brief or done research for a case.

vaudine


106 posted on 10/04/2005 1:51:55 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Between the Lines
I do...Iraq War succeeding (despite media), more people convinced abortion is terrible, tax cuts put into place, no Kyoto, no European High Court, Boltin in place in UN, etc. etc. etc.

It may be moving slow...but it's moving.

107 posted on 10/04/2005 1:52:58 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming
Just wondering if Rehnquist or Thomas did this?

Yes. As I said in my prior post, Rehnquist was a SCOTUS law clerk. Being a clerk is like being an apprentice to the SCOTUS--and beyond. The clerks often write the entire opinions for the justices.

Prior to his appointment, Thomas was already known as a scholar of constitutional law.

108 posted on 10/04/2005 1:53:53 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: vaudine

You know.... when this is all over.... all said and done.... she'll probably end up being more conservative than Roberts. He's probably going to end up being the Sutor. I've learned over my years the the people you really can't trust... are the ones that are smarter than everybody else. And he's definitely smarter than everybody else he comes into contact with.


109 posted on 10/04/2005 1:54:21 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: TommyDale
With regards to the Gay and Lesbian questionnaire, isn't this just a little bit of a leap to state that because someone believes that gays and lesbians deserve the same rights as straight people that this is in fact in favor of gay marriage or parental rights? And isn't this also the same implication that was just recently made on DRUDGEREPORT.com?

I believe gays and lesbians should have the same civil rights as me but I do not agree same sex marriage to be a civil right.

Many of the people claiming that Miers is pro-gay are using great latitude in their assumptions based on small tidbits of information.

110 posted on 10/04/2005 1:58:12 PM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: gpapa; WKB
My pastor opposes abortion too....as do I.

But not all in our congregation feel the same way.

Woodmont Baptist Nashville (SBC)

Folks here are reaching for justification and ignoring bad signs basically everywhere.

Her church is not serious fundamentalist nor serious evangelical. It is a typical quasi-conservative Southern big city church. We aren't talking Texas Church of Christ or Assemblies of God or Primitive Baptist here folks. It may look serious to Yankee Roman Catholics, Anglicans and Jews but on a scale of one to ten...fundie-wise I'd give them a 7...folks should read their mission statement

Don't be fooled that it's hardcore conservative Charismatic...it ain't.
111 posted on 10/04/2005 2:01:04 PM PDT by wardaddy (stealth schmealth)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Unless I am totally out of the loop

Possible.

"The Washington Office of the Presbyterian Church (USA) is using the home page of its Web site to summon women to join a political march in Washington, D.C., to oppose any restrictions on abortion."
http://www.layman.org/layman/news/2004-news/washington-office-promotes-march.htm

(From the United Methodist web site) "Therefore, to protect the health of women, Women’s Division directors—along with the General Board of Church and Society -- voted to participate in the April 2004 march: “Save Women’s Lives: March for Freedom of Choice.” Directors do not want the government to determine what is in a woman’s best interest."
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/statements/march4choice.cfm

Most of the other mainline groups are also overtly or tacitly supporting abortion.

112 posted on 10/04/2005 2:02:10 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Siena Dreaming

I think people are just mad that Bush picked two people in a row with little experience as a judge. All that crap about people wanting a non-judge picked was claptrap aimed at sounding egalitarian. They really just want decades and decades and decades of being on the bench. End. Of. Story.


113 posted on 10/04/2005 2:05:52 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: frogjerk

You may be right, I don't know for certain what was on her mind when she wrote these things. My quoted link was to Time Magazine, however -- not to Drudge Report.


114 posted on 10/04/2005 2:08:23 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Siena Dreaming

Yes, I suppose you are right... there is always hope.


115 posted on 10/04/2005 2:08:45 PM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Owen

The Dems already fundraise from everything Bush ever says or does anyway. I would rather a conservative judge go to the Senate and not get enough votes than pick a moderate right off the bat. Its not like we lose anything by not getting enough votes.


116 posted on 10/04/2005 2:11:01 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: kjam22
she'll probably end up being more conservative than Roberts. He's probably going to end up being the Sutor.

Quite possibly.

John G. Roberts, Bush's first nominee to the Supreme Court, surprised many when he endorsed a Constitutional "right to privacy" during his Senate confirmation hearings.

Although the term "right to privacy" does not appear in the Constitution, Supreme Court judges created one in the case of Griswold v. Connecticut (1965). The Court later used Griswold's "right to privacy" to legalize the crime of abortion in Roe v. Wade (1973).

Roberts believes in Constitutional "Right to Privacy":

Lest there be any doubt that he was endorsing the same "right to privacy" that federal judges created in Griswold, Roberts clarified his view in the following exchange with Wisconsin Senator Herbert Kohl:

ROBERTS: I agree with the Griswold court's conclusion that marital privacy extends to contraception and availability of that. The court, since Griswold, has grounded the privacy right discussed in that case in the liberty interest protected under the due process clause.

That is the approach that the court has taken in subsequent cases, rather than in the (inaudible) and emanations that were discussed in Justice Douglas' opinion.

And that view of the result is, I think, consistent with the subsequent development of the law which has focused on the due process clause and liberty, rather than Justice Douglas' approach.

KOHL: Well, I'm delighted to hear you say that because, as you know, many, many constitutional scholars believe that once you accept the reasoning of Griswold and find that the Constitution does contain a right to privacy and a right to contraception, that you've essentially accepted -- scholars have said this -- essentially accepted the basis for the court's reasoning and decision on Roe, that a woman has a constitutionally protected right to choose.

In Griswold, the Court used the "right to privacy" to create a constitutional right to contraceptives. Senator Kohl is correct in noting that the reasoning used in Griswold led directly to the Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade, that the "right to privacy" also includes a right to abortion.

117 posted on 10/04/2005 2:17:25 PM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: NittanyLion

John Kerry is to stupid to know about that part of the church, and teddie is to drunk to even know that he is church.


118 posted on 10/04/2005 2:17:54 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: TonyRo76

Believe it or not, some even send tithes/money to the so-called organization known as "Planned Parenthood".


119 posted on 10/04/2005 2:23:30 PM PDT by oneday
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To: Jedidah
You might want to scroll down and read all the posts since Miers was nominated yesterday.

Thank you, great link.

120 posted on 10/04/2005 2:27:21 PM PDT by Decepticon (The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years......(NRA)
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