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To: ajolympian2004

I truly believe Brown and Owens and Jones would have been filibustered. Does that mean don't try. I don't know. I also don't know what Bush heard back from the GOP Senators when these names were brought up. Bush can nominate, but he needs the Senators support (at least 50 of them).


4 posted on 10/04/2005 10:42:50 AM PDT by frankjr
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To: frankjr

Let em filibluster... the agreement breaks down.. the nuclear option is applied and a qualified canidate makes the bench... and the END of minority threats of filiblustering court nominations.... which should not be able to filibuster in the first place.


18 posted on 10/04/2005 10:45:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: frankjr

Let em filibluster... the agreement breaks down.. the nuclear option is applied and a qualified canidate makes the bench... and the END of minority threats of filiblustering court nominations.... which should not be able to filibuster in the first place.


19 posted on 10/04/2005 10:45:27 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: frankjr
I truly believe Brown and Owens and Jones would have been filibustered. Does that mean don't try. I don't know. I also don't know what Bush heard back from the GOP Senators when these names were brought up. Bush can nominate, but he needs the Senators support (at least 50 of them).

For me, this is just another indication that Bush hews more toward the Rockefeller wing of the party than toward the conservative base. If he had nominated a true conservative, it would have caused a rift in the party that would have exposed the moderate/RINO wing and led, no doubt, to the defeat of some of them in 2006 if they had voted against, say, Janice Rogers Brown. Miers is a safe choice for the RINOs which forces conservatives like Rick Santorum into the position of possibly having to vote against the president.

Bush's support of Arlen Specter in 2004 was the first clue to where is heart really lies. This nomination is another. The fact that he's going to leave office in 2008 without an obvious successor is the final straw. Politically speaking, the Bush presidency may end up being an electoral disaster for Republicans when all is said and done.
61 posted on 10/04/2005 10:52:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: frankjr

So what makes Brown, Owens, and Jones so great? Lets have some reasons not like a Democrat talking point. This is what it is beginning to sound like. Personally, I'll reserve my comments until I watch the hearings. Fair enough? You may look foolish in the long run.


85 posted on 10/04/2005 10:56:00 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: frankjr

He really needs 60 votes to knock down a Dim filibuster, unless the Pubbies were to go "nucular". So, he was clearly trying to avoid that fight. His pick of Miers will be viewed as brilliant "strategery" if she is easily confirmed and subsequently lines up philosophically and by vote with Scalia and Thomas. Time will tell, as this is a matter of faith at this point.


122 posted on 10/04/2005 11:05:16 AM PDT by HoosierFather
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To: frankjr
They would have been filibustered. Then there would have been a long, drawn-out fight over whether we could break or get around the filibuster. This would take about a year, with zero promise that we could win. I think Hagel, Chaffee, Snowe, Collins, and probably 1-2 others would have bolted, giving Bush a big loss.

Worse, it would drain a full year out of any other issues or agendas. Coulter is wrong. She needs to read about George Washington and his strategy for beating the British . . . and his own back-biting generals.

137 posted on 10/04/2005 11:09:07 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: frankjr
I truly believe Brown and Owens and Jones would have been filibustered. Does that mean don't try. I don't know. I also don't know what Bush heard back from the GOP Senators when these names were brought up. Bush can nominate, but he needs the Senators support (at least 50 of them).

Well I'll answer the question. He should have tried even if he had only 47 or 48 votes.

What better time than to truly "out" the RINOs in the Senate and force them to vote with Bush or give up any hopes they might have of being a Republican President. I think you know who I'm talking about.

The fact that Bush failed to do so and instead accepted the Harry Reid recommendation tells you all you will ever have to know about the decision making process in the White House. This was a gutless Can't-we-all-just-get-along Rodney King decision. Washington is a club and Bush is a member. The disease that has infected his Presidency with it's massive spending and do-good social programs is the same one that will infect Miers. You will see it over time when she starts making decisions based on what her five star social circle wants to see rather than what the law says in plain English.

301 posted on 10/04/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: frankjr
For crying out loud. the Republicans won the damn election. They are so worried about the 2006 elections that they are going far far to the left. What they fail to understand is that the left LOST. Why go to the left when America is going to the right. The Republicans need to stop this or they are going to lose and lose big in 2006. I have voted Republican most of my life but I am really thinking of "throw the bums out" vote about right now. The way the Senate and House are acting I might as well as voted Democratic last election. This has got to stop.
343 posted on 10/04/2005 12:35:53 PM PDT by unseen
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To: frankjr

"I truly believe Brown and Owens and Jones would have been filibustered."

I agree. Bush knows these ladies are the best of the best. However, he still has to deal with the RINOs in the Senate. The likes of Hagel, Voinovich, Snowe, Chafee, Collins, et. al. would surely have voted against an "out of the mainstream" nominee. That leaves 50 Repubs. One more defection and Bush's nominee goes down. I agree with what Rush said yesterday, "If you went to war, would you want the Republicans in the Senate to be your army?" In a word, no.

His own party betrayed him.


355 posted on 10/04/2005 12:42:45 PM PDT by freedom4me (...Error alone needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.--Thomas Jefferson)
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To: frankjr

The Republicans have have 55 votes in the Senate. That means the every Democrat and 5 Republicans could vote against a nominee and that nominee could still get through. The GOP may never be this strong in the Senate again.

Clarence Thomas was a known conservative and was slimed with the Anita Hill lies, and he still got confirmed at a time when the Dems controlled the Senate.

Don't excuse Bush's wimpiness by saying that a real conservative (Brown, Owen, Luttig, etc.) couldn't get confirmed.

If FR was around during the Souter nomination, I'm sure that many on this thread would have quoted John Sunnunu calling him a "Home Run" for conservatives (compare that to the spin we are getting from the GOP establishment about Miers now) and saying we should blindly trust Bush's judgement.


356 posted on 10/04/2005 12:42:49 PM PDT by feralcat
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To: frankjr
I also don't know what Bush heard back from the GOP Senators when these names were brought up. Bush can nominate, but he needs the Senators support

I agree, 100%. It's easy to find fault, to be disappointed with this choice and suggest that it "shoulda" been Brown or Owens or Jones - but if your own team is telling you "Don't try it," you have to be practical (a dirty word to arch-conservatives, I know) and work with 'em. The sad truth is that the Republican party is not all that conservative, as a whole, regardless how the Luney Left howls.
It's easier to be confrontational regarding legislation, which undergoes many adjustements and permutations, anyway. But your SCOTUS nominees are either "up" or "down". That's it.

477 posted on 10/04/2005 1:41:46 PM PDT by Nevermore (Mad as Zell)
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To: frankjr
A filibuster would be great. Then Bill Frist would have to step up to the plate and invoke the nuclear option. The RINOS would have to stand up and vote one way or another. If they vote to uphold the filibuster by not changing the rules they will be on record for denying the President his choice of a conservative candidate. Some of the RINOS might survive the next election but not all of them would. Conservatives would get their pound of flesh in the next election.

I still have a hard time trying to figure out why Dubya did not nominate Janice Rogers Brown! On so many different levels she would have been fantastic. Democrats and RINOS would have been forced to beat up on an articulate, intelligent, attractive, black female whose parents were sharecroppers. Why did you cave-in Dubya?
652 posted on 10/04/2005 3:00:26 PM PDT by daviscupper
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To: frankjr

WTF, liberals get what they want. Why do Pubes go down so quickly? How do they get rid of that lingering taste and continue to do the same over and over again? Are they trying another method of birth control and not even getting dinner?

Unbelievable man!


680 posted on 10/04/2005 3:19:48 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: frankjr
I truly believe Brown and Owens and Jones would have been filibustered.

And the nuclear option might have failed, seriously weakening conservative strength. I wonder if Bush knew something about the vote count.

759 posted on 10/04/2005 5:13:05 PM PDT by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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