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Bomb Blast at University of Oklahoma (Breaking on Fox) - suicide bomber at OU
Fox News/NewsOK.com ^ | oct. 1, 2005

Posted on 10/01/2005 7:05:29 PM PDT by blogblogginaway

Edited on 10/01/2005 7:21:56 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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MUST SEE VIDEO!!!

http://www.newsok.com/video/1633639



curtesy post by falconjet0900
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4,261 posted on 10/04/2005 8:12:35 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: laz
Here are some snippets from a post to me on the first day:

...so far, most of the American "jihadists" the Muzzies have been able to produce have not been interested in killing themselves. (snip) American converts, whether Black Muslims or teenage white losers who convert to Islam, generally don't seem to do the suicide part of these attacks.

I was going to respond, "There's a first time for everything." But I thought, why bother? Key words there were "so far".

4,262 posted on 10/04/2005 8:14:11 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: PhatHead

Perhaps the bus driver's report is being combined with some other eyewitness report. I don't know. But I remember that very early on in this thread, there was a report that a bus driver was looking at Hinrichs at the very moment he exploded. This was the bus driver who was knocked back. I imagine this is the same bus driver who saw him go to the bench, sit down, and start taking something out.


4,263 posted on 10/04/2005 8:18:30 PM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: zip
If it comes out that the kid turned Muslim and committed suicide because he was depressed over the political situation in our Country, I assume Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink will be at the OU Campus holding a candlelight vigil and blaming President Bush.
4,264 posted on 10/04/2005 8:18:35 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: Rte66

RTE.
I am not familiar with OK. public records laws. You might try doing a search in the tax assesor/ property appraisers records to find the property owner of record. You could also search the Public records of the courthouse to find if there is any civil or non-felony criminal records for Hinrichs. Public records should also show if he was involved in any property transactions.
It would also interest me to know if Hinrichs was a joiner. Did he try out different groups to find one that met his philosophy. You would expect to find this behavior in someone who was frustrated and looking for answers.


4,265 posted on 10/04/2005 8:19:37 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: not2worry

Yesh, and Cindy says, "Let's get those occupying troops out of Norman!"


4,266 posted on 10/04/2005 8:19:58 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: laz

Yes, that sequence of events makes perfect sense to me. I would like to hear from some more witnesses to the guy's movements before the explosion.


4,267 posted on 10/04/2005 8:22:03 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Right Wing Assault

And we don't know whether he actually intended to die with his victims. That he intended to blow other people up, and not simply commit suicide, I am certain. But it's possible he was going to plant the bomb and not be around when it exploded. So the possible unwillingness of American converts to go for the 72 virgins doesn't necessarily preclude their involvement in strictly homicidal bombings.


4,268 posted on 10/04/2005 8:22:07 PM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: Rockpile

I think we're on the same page.


4,269 posted on 10/04/2005 8:25:58 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: laz
Remember that an American convert appeared in the last videotape warning. Does anyone think that was just an accident or a novel idea? To me, it was a glaring statement from the folks at AQ that attacks would now come from such American recruits. It might also have been a message to said recruits that their time had come to be the front line.

bump

4,270 posted on 10/04/2005 8:27:14 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Smokin' Joe
israelinsider.com/articles

Israeli invention detects TATP explosives

By: Israel Insider staff and partners

Published: January 27, 2005

Researchers from Israel's Technion in Haifa have developed a device to detect the kind of improvised explosives increasingly used by Arab terror groups.

The new detector, named the Peroxide Explosive Tester (PET), looks like a three-color ball-point pen. The device releases three chemical mixtures that change color upon interaction with the suspected explosive materials.

A relatively new difficult-to-detect explosive material called triacetone-triperoxide (TATP), commonly known as acetone peroxide, is one of a group of explosives based on the unstable peroxide group of compounds. It is increasingly being utilized by terror groups, who used it in the Dolphinarium Disco massacre, several bomb attacks in downtown Jerusalem, and the failed attempt to down a passenger plane by Muslim shoe-bomber Richard Reid.

One of the most alarming attributes of TATP is that it cannot be detected by bomb-sniffing dogs, making it easier to smuggle into airports and onto airplanes. It is also very easy to synthesize in clandestine labs, using readily available chemicals.

"To our great surprise," PET's inventor, Prof. Ehud Keinan, Dean of the Technion's Faculty of Chemistry, wrote in the Journal of the American Chemical Society, "we discovered that TATP is very different from all other conventional explosives in that it does not release heat during the explosion. It explodes by rapid decomposition of every solid-state molecule to four gas-phase molecules. This rare phenomenon, scientifically known as 'Entropic Explosion', is reminiscent of the rapid reaction that produces gas in the safety air-bags of cars during accidents."

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{My goodness, now this is just an interesting little chemistry project isn't it?}

In addition to Prof. Keinan, the research that made PET possible was carried out by Prof. Yehuda Zeiri of the Nuclear Research Center in the Negev, and Professors Ronnie Kosloff and Joseph Almog of Jerusalem's Hebrew University, together with their research teams.

4,271 posted on 10/04/2005 8:28:53 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile
As always we have to speculate on info derived from the News-hiders.

You know, that's really a good term.

Lame Stream Media was getting kind of old, and besides they deserve to be demoted to a new term -- News-hiders works very well.

4,272 posted on 10/04/2005 8:31:44 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Rockpile
...it cannot be detected by bomb-sniffing dogs...

Good thing they swept the stadium at OU before the game, and after the explosion, with bomb-sniffing dogs...

4,273 posted on 10/04/2005 8:32:19 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: texasbluebell

Well, the News Cartel is devoted to providing us with fact-free news so I reckon what they do is indeed News-hiding.


4,274 posted on 10/04/2005 8:36:20 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: laz
It have been speculating that the bomb(s) were intended not for the crowd (no shrapnel damage was reported), but for the busses.

Let me 'splain

The kid was an engineering student. Engineers, by nature design/build things which are task specific. Efficiency is like breathing to these people.

A sack of nails/junk/nuts and bolts and some contact cement would have made this a much more effective antipersonnel device. It apparently was not designed that way.

Reports of more than one device may have indicated that the busses were the target, where such a device could have been placed in proximity to the fuel tanks for an effect multiplier.

The triggering mechanism would also be tailored for the job (that engineering mindset again).

For a vehicle, especially a bus, a motion activated trigger would be likely, to catch people on and around the bus or go off when the bus starts moving. In a good design the device would have to have an arming switch, just to transport it safely.

If the motion trigger were the right type, just being at the wrong angle would close the circuit.

No problem if the arming switch is off.

If, however, the arming switch were inadvertently turned on while, say, removing the bomb from a backpack, the device would detonate.

No more jihadi.

4,275 posted on 10/04/2005 8:39:41 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: OXENinFLA

You forgot the crochet hat


4,276 posted on 10/04/2005 8:41:41 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: Rockpile

"Fact-free news."

Ha, indeed.

Like a diet. You can have low-fact or fact-free.


4,277 posted on 10/04/2005 8:42:01 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: PhatHead

Of course us lowly serfs in the Pajama Patrol aren't privy to the inside dope on what went bang so we gotta speculate. I just don't think it was ANFO at all. Knew a guy who used it for mining in New Mexico; they poured the stuff in drill holes as I recall then packed it with a broom handle and shot the stuff in each hole by using a quarter-stick of dynamite per hole to make it go off. Not really a high grade explosive.


4,278 posted on 10/04/2005 8:42:23 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile

Plus today's report that he tried, but was unable to buy ammonium nitrate.


4,279 posted on 10/04/2005 8:43:44 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Rockpile
The stuff is notoriously unstable, and highly intolerant of rough handling as well. Not your average firecracker/good ol' boy blow up the mailbox black powder pipe bomb material at all.

(Don't try this at home, kids!)

4,280 posted on 10/04/2005 8:44:19 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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