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Schwarzenegger vetoes gay marriage bill
MSNBC ^ | AP

Posted on 09/29/2005 4:16:31 PM PDT by minus_273

SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger followed through Thursday on his promise to veto a bill to legalize gay marriage in California, saying the issue should be decided by voters or the courts.

“This bill simply adds confusion to a constitutional issue,” the Republican governor said in a veto message. “If the ban of same-sex marriage is unconstitutional this bill is not necessary. If the ban is constitutional this bill is ineffective.”

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab849; arnold; arnoldvetoes; california; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; joinarnold; liberals; mrfreeze; samesexmarriage; schwarzenegger; sodomy; sodomymarriage; terminator; veto; vivaarnold; westhollywood
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To: republicofdavis
turning an eye toward away from the ultimate goal.
121 posted on 09/29/2005 7:46:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: newzjunkey
I have no dog in the domestic partner fight. As for "afford" I think it depends on what you mean by that. My view is that we're all better off supporting partnering up of couples.

I agree with this.

I am just totally opposed to "gay marriage" because it simply isn't marriage. Period.

122 posted on 09/29/2005 7:52:14 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: republicofdavis
The following descriptions, of legislation that Schwarzenegger signed today, were extracted from Senate and Assembly Floor Analyses of pending legislation available at LAO.gov.
• SB 565 by Senator Carole Migden (D-San Francisco) - Property tax reappraisal exclusion: domestic partners.
Prior to this bill, there was no domestic partner exclusion that equates to the interspousal exclusion. This bill establishes an exclusion from reassessment for transfers of real property between registered domestic partners. The author indicated that the bill is intended "to guarantee equality for all Californians, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, and to further the state's interests in protecting Californians from the potentially severe economic and social consequences of abandonment, separation, the death of a partner, and other life crises."

• SB 973 by Senator Sheila Kuehl (D-Santa Monica) - Public employees' retirement: domestic partners.
Bill amends the Public Employees Retirement System (PERS), the State Teachers Retirement System (STRS), and the County Employees Retirement Act of 1937 to entitle retired members to elect to change optional retirement allowances to provide for their domestic partners.

• AB 228 by Assemblymember Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) - Transplantation services: human immunodeficiency virus.
Prohibits health care service plans (health plans) and health insurers from denying coverage for organ or tissue transplantation services on the basis that an enrollee, subscriber, insured, or policyholder is infected with HIV.

• AB 1142 by Assemblymember Marvyn Dymally (D-Compton) - HIV/AIDS: African-Americans: statewide initiative.
This bill establishes the Statewide African-American Initiative to address the disproportionate impact of HIV/AIDS on the health of African-Americans by coordinating prevention and service networks around the state in an effort to increase the capacity of core service providers.

• AB 1586 by Assemblymember Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) - Insurers: health care service plans: discrimination.
This bill adds additional language to existing anti-discrimination provisions under the Health and Safety Code and the Insurance Code to clarify that state law prohibits insurance companies and health care service plans from discriminating on the basis of gender in the creation or maintenance of service contracts or the provision of benefits or coverage. Defines the term "sex," in existing law that prohibits health care service plans (health plans) and insurers from specified discriminatory acts, to have the same meaning as "gender," as defined under the Penal Code, as specified.

• AB 1400 by Assemblymember John Laird (D-Santa Cruz) - Unruh Civil Rights Act: marital status and sexual orientation
The Unruh Civil Rights Act (Act) provides that all persons, regardless of their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, or medical condition are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges and services in all business establishments of every kind. This bill clarifies that marital status and sexual orientation are among the characteristics that are protected against discrimination by business establishments under the Act. This bill also imports into the Act definitions of the terms "disability," "religion," "sex," and "sexual orientation" from the Fair Employment and Housing Act, and includes, in enumerating the above characteristics, the perception of those characteristics and association with a person who has or is perceived to have those characteristics as being within the protected categories. These definitions will be integrated into other related provisions of the Act.


123 posted on 09/29/2005 7:52:17 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge

"Many say aRnie is our best and last chance to turn things around."

I am not one of them. I don't deal in absolutes.

"Apology not accepted and not needed."

Whatever. One of the things that has drawn me rightward has been what I perceive to be more graciousness as opposed to those on the left. I guess that's not entirely true.

"trumpet the party line"

I'm not trumping any party line. Simply giving my opinions and engaging in debate. I thought that's what we did.

As for the rest, I guess that's a matter of opinion. Can't say I agree with it all but I don't see anything I can work up the energy to respond to.


124 posted on 09/29/2005 7:57:44 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: calcowgirl

I apologize for you going to all that trouble. I tried to stop you later on. My mistake.


125 posted on 09/29/2005 7:59:01 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: NormsRevenge
...aren't civil unions the same as domestic partnerships? enlighten me if they aren't? Thanks

That is a good question.
I don't think they are the same thing. Technically.

I see any people who decide to cohabitate as being able to define themselves and be recognized by ANYBODY as "domestic partners".

"Civil Unions" implies some sort of legal sanction

I think this is a significant difference.

126 posted on 09/29/2005 7:59:08 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: Jorge

Life is full of definitions looking for relationships to hang around with.


127 posted on 09/29/2005 8:01:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: calcowgirl
They need a class in non-transparency next.

Such a post can be seen both ways...

Transloosesins? Opasscity? I'm soooo not confused!

128 posted on 09/29/2005 8:05:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL :)


129 posted on 09/29/2005 8:06:40 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: calcowgirl
"By denying us marriage equality he has turned a back to our community."

Turning your back to these guys could be dangerous Arnold. Just don't bend over if you drop something.
130 posted on 09/29/2005 8:09:31 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: republicofdavis

don't deal in absolutes ,, and ,, drawn you rightward?

sounds like your adrift..

and now Im supposed to feeel bad I may have broken your little feeelings into shards and you kick me in the teeth with that 'graciousness' remark..

btw, never fall in love with a politician or your own hype.. They'll both fall flat on their face in front of you eventually.

See ya around


131 posted on 09/29/2005 8:12:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: republicofdavis; newzjunkey
I apologize for you going to all that trouble. I tried to stop you later on. My mistake.

I saw your other post. The post that you referred to on this thread had only limited, non-informative descriptions (statements such as "YAWN", or others describing only the poster's pro-GLBT Libertarian agenda). The implications of these six bills are vast (and costly) and should not be dismissed with a yawn, IMO.

132 posted on 09/29/2005 8:14:48 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

A full-time legislature is bankrupting this state or would have if we didn't have "Conservative Republican" Gub borrowing to keep the funds flowing and flowing


133 posted on 09/29/2005 8:18:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: uncitizen
Turning your back to these guys could be dangerous Arnold. Just don't bend over if you drop something.

Not to worry--he is catering to them in every other way. While everyone has their eyes on the gay marriage veto, today Arnie also signed 6 pro-homosexual-agenda bills giving them yet more rights. (see posts 54, 85, and 123)

134 posted on 09/29/2005 8:22:08 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: minus_273

The Natural Laws Can Not Be Denied
- Resistance Is Futile!

135 posted on 09/29/2005 8:25:01 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: calcowgirl
There you go again, citing substance intsead of appearances.

You conservatives never learn.

136 posted on 09/29/2005 8:25:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I know, that bothered me too.


137 posted on 09/29/2005 8:31:23 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Look behind the headlines when he vetoes Cedillo's bill.

What might we find? A couple of anti-gun bills, perhaps? (SB357 and AB352 are still sitting on his desk). The Conaway Ranch bill (AB1747)? Joe Dunn's reparations bills (SB645/SB670)?


138 posted on 09/29/2005 8:32:47 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: minus_273

So what does this mean...one girly man cannot marry another???


139 posted on 09/29/2005 8:33:37 PM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: NormsRevenge

"and now Im supposed to feeel bad I may have broken your little feeelings into shards and you kick me in the teeth with that 'graciousness' remark.."

Now I really have to wonder if you've taken leave of your senses. But hey, as long as you can revel in your certainty, I'm sure you'll be fine.

By the way, it's spelled you're.


140 posted on 09/29/2005 8:33:46 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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