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Witness: 'Intelligent Design' doesn't qualify as science [Day 4 of trial in Dover, PA]
Sioux City Journal ^
| 29 September 2005
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Posted on 09/29/2005 3:36:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: 11th Commandment
It is obvious to me that the majority of the people on this thread who oppose ID have not bothered to read any of the literature that is currently available. They buy into what the MSM says, and let that suffice. They would not do that on any other topic than this...amazing.
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posted on
09/29/2005 6:20:18 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(The radical secularization of America is happening)
To: King Prout
I never date clams. I've had a nice Italian dinner or two or three with
Linguine a la Vongole, but that's as far as I go with bivalve molluscs in public.
The FSM completely blesses such practices as his noodly appendages are all over the place therein.
OK, you caught me. Since I moved back to WV, the closest Italian place features "Spaghetti, white clam sauce." Doesn't sound very exotic, but it's good.
362
posted on
09/29/2005 6:26:57 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: LiteKeeper
It is obvious to me that the majority of the people on this thread who oppose ID have not bothered to read any of the literature that is currently available. They buy into what the MSM says, and let that suffice. This isn't "pot ... kettle ... black." This is "mote ... log ... own eye." IOW, pure projection.
363
posted on
09/29/2005 6:28:23 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: VadeRetro
If you are right, tell me the basic arguments of the ID position...please provide as much detail as possible.
364
posted on
09/29/2005 6:32:54 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(The radical secularization of America is happening)
To: Coyoteman
Oh, please. He spent at least as much time ignoring it as you did composing it.
365
posted on
09/29/2005 6:41:12 PM PDT
by
Gumlegs
To: LiteKeeper
Gauntlet accepted. Here are the basic arguments, satire held as far in check as humanly possible. Feeling lazy, I will abstain from going into as much detail as I could or I'd be in stealth cretin mode all night.
- Evolution cannot explain irreducible complexity, defined as systems which cannot suffer the removal or disablement of a single component without loss of function.
- Evolution cannot explain Complex Specified Information, defined as something so obviously designed that it just has to have been designed. We can tell this by objective criteria which we have not however thus far specified without luxurious recourse to the fallacy of equivocation.
- Evolution cannot explain the obvious fine tuning of the universe to accomodate life. Nor does it deal with how mud puddles are always just exactly the right shape to fit in the holes without sticking up out of the ground.
Now, tell me the theory of evolution and give a quick precis of the evidence for it.
366
posted on
09/29/2005 6:41:26 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: MineralMan
A former Governor of the Great State of (clap clap clap clap) Texas supposedly said: "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"
367
posted on
09/29/2005 6:43:44 PM PDT
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: Doctor Stochastic
That Ann Richards, what a card she was!
368
posted on
09/29/2005 6:45:02 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Gumlegs
369
posted on
09/29/2005 6:45:54 PM PDT
by
King Prout
(19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
To: All
That list wasn't a mistake, BTW. Yes, ID is the only theory in history composed entirely of screeches that another theory somehow can't be right.
370
posted on
09/29/2005 6:46:23 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Nathan Zachary
There are NO actual real fossils found that show evidence of evolution, only drawings of a theory which has yet to be proved. And NO actual real motion picture frames show evidence of motion. Ha! We just disproved the movies!
371
posted on
09/29/2005 6:49:27 PM PDT
by
Gumlegs
To: VadeRetro
Some posts to this thread need a blue filter.
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posted on
09/29/2005 6:55:19 PM PDT
by
Gumlegs
To: VadeRetro
Nice try, but wrong. Your #1 is backwards; #2 doesn't come close; #3 is really on the edge, but not a major factor. Sorry, you obviously are more interested in satire than truth.
373
posted on
09/29/2005 7:02:39 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(The radical secularization of America is happening)
To: Dimensio; doc30; PatrickHenry; balrog666; Vive ut Vivas
"A common but dangerous approach to the study of any body of unfamiliar material is to begin by adopting a definition of terminology, either one's own or another's, and to apply this terminology to one's findings even if the two are not compatible."
- William Hays
Hays was discussing the problem of "The Troping Hypothesis."
I thought I'd post this again.
374
posted on
09/29/2005 7:06:14 PM PDT
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: LiteKeeper
Your #1 is backwards. Needs a bit of analysis, there. How so? That one I refrained from satire, totally.
#2 doesn't come close.
Unsupported assertion. It's Dembski on truth serum.
#3 is really on the edge, but not a major factor.
No, that one's not a biggie. But that's about all the quivvers in the ID arrow.
OK, if you include Johnson and Wells, they drag in a bunch of recycled creationist stuff, trying hard to throw out all the YEC material but occasionally forgetting. One or the other (Johnson?) attacks radiometric dating, for instance. Why do that if you accept the age of the Earth?
The expanded version could thus include:
- There are no transitional fossils (recycled YECism)
- The Second Law of Thermo forbids evolution (recycled YECism)
- Textbooks still show pictures of Haeckel's discredited drawings (you got it by now, right?)
- Evolution cannot explain the Cambrian Explosion (yada yada)
In the earlier post, I was listing all of the ID writers's
original contributions to western civilization. Except that ID was first noticed by Muller, CSI was first noticed by Paley, etc.
I notice you didn't answer my counter-challenge. A chance to demonstrate your acumen, and you delined?
375
posted on
09/29/2005 7:16:33 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Gumlegs
Some posts to this thread need a blue filter. Old posters never die. At least, not until they really DO die.
376
posted on
09/29/2005 7:18:25 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: RadioAstronomer
Here ya go - "infinite wire" :-)Now I am reminded why I never considered majoring in physics. The calculus! All of those letters that you have to write on a crib sheet so you can remember what they mean when you take the exam! Arggh! The most important physical concept I ever learned was "run to red."
(That describes the behavior of biological molecules in an electric field, and has the advantage of saving me the trouble of figuring out which is the positive wire and which is the negative every time I want to electrophoresis something.)
(All the electrophoresis boxes have color coded contacts anyway, so you always plug in the wires correctly. Gee, biologists are dumb!)
Actually, there are a lot of other physical concepts that come into my work. We life scientists don't tend to think of them as physics, though. And most of us don't do calculus.
377
posted on
09/29/2005 7:20:34 PM PDT
by
exDemMom
(Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
To: VadeRetro
You still have not gotten the ID position correct - why should I answer your challenge when you have yet to answer mine? Try focusing on your first bullet, but try to get it right this time.
378
posted on
09/29/2005 7:22:07 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(The radical secularization of America is happening)
To: VadeRetro
Somewhere, taps is playing.
379
posted on
09/29/2005 7:22:35 PM PDT
by
Gumlegs
To: LiteKeeper
Try explaining yourself. Your assertion remains unsupported.
You are called. You are challenged. Got it? This is where you show the hand or fold.
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posted on
09/29/2005 7:24:05 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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