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1 posted on 09/28/2005 2:47:53 AM PDT by Crackingham
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This guy thinks McCain is going to get my nomination?

No wonder he's disillusioned.

2 posted on 09/28/2005 2:52:03 AM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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Again, Fred Barnes has a firm understanding of the situation.


4 posted on 09/28/2005 2:54:11 AM PDT by yer gonna put yer eye out (Will quip for food...)
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Will so many volunteers work so hard for McCain or Allen or Giuliani or whoever wins the Republican presidential nomination in 2008? I doubt it.

Giuliani has sufficient name recognition and liberal enough politics to bring in lots of otherwise Rat voters, even without hard nosed campaigning. And that deeply saddens me.

5 posted on 09/28/2005 2:56:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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As the only antidote to the horror of Hillary, Condi WILL run (and win).


6 posted on 09/28/2005 3:00:44 AM PDT by omniscient
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That leaves the Republican party with a lesser field of candidates: McCain, Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Virginia Senator George Allen, and a few others. All of them have distinct handicaps. McCain's is that many Republican loathe him. Giuliani is a social liberal. Allen and Romney are inexperienced at the national level. Frist has a soft and blurred image.

History shows that governors have better odds of getting into the Presidency than do other politicians. How does Barbour sound out on the issue? The press puns will be endless of course ("Hillary just had a close shave with Barbour").

7 posted on 09/28/2005 3:01:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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So how well known was George W. Bush in September 1997?


10 posted on 09/28/2005 3:11:34 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Congressional republicans seem to think they can just buy votes like democrats. Personally I'm prepared to vote for a democratic presidential candidate just to see an occasional veto.


11 posted on 09/28/2005 3:13:24 AM PDT by tcostell
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Allen and Romney are inexperienced at the national level.

4 of our 5 last presidents had little to no experience on the national level of politics.

Beltway insiders rarely win elections, at least in recent times, case in point,  John Kerry, Algore, Walter Mondale, et al.

 

12 posted on 09/28/2005 3:14:11 AM PDT by RWR8189 ( Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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This is such an "I got nuthin'" column, you wonder why Barnes bothered to write it.

The analysis is facile. The list is incomplete. And it's only 2005.

Just because Hillary! has been running for President since 1993 does not mean the Republicans should be following suit. The public will tire of The Beast long before 2008. No Republican wants to suffer a similar fate.

First things first. The 2006 mid-terms loom large. If the Donks want to expend all their time and money worrying about the next election, I say we let them. Further Republican gains in 2006 will make them even more shrill, more desperate, more beholden to the moonbat wing of the party, and push them farther from the main-stream. If somebody had said that George Bush was going to run for President in 1997, 99.9% of people would have wondered why Poppy was going to jump back into that meat-grinder at his advanced age. The only people who are thinking about 2008 now are the Clintonistas, but that will come back to haunt them.

The rough-and-tumble of the Primary process will select the next 'Pubbie candidate. Contrary to the MSM's belief, candidates who emerge from bruising primaries do much better than candidates who are "coronated". A contested primary is one long campaign commercial, with lots of free media and public interest. Sure it costs money, but it raises a lot of money too.

If a candidate wins the nomination early, there are months and months between the end of campaigning and the nominating conventions. Think of how John F'n Kerry languished between the time he sewed up the Democratic nod and the Donk convention in Boston. He was old news by July.

But the candidates who have done well in the last thirty years -- LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Dukakis (who did far better than he should have), Clinton, and George W. Bush -- all faced tough primary challenges that they beat back in the later stages. OTOH, candidates who had it sewed up early -- Ford, Mondale, GHWB, Dole, Kerry -- flamed out in the Fall. The one candidate in this group who actually won an election, GHWB, won on the strength of Reagan. All the other candidacies were completely devoid of interest and irreversibly stigmatized by the opposition campaign by the time the Fall campaign even got started.

The extreme example of this will be Hillary! 2008!!!. She will be such a known quantity by the Summer of 2008, she will be so negatively painted by all Republicans and the disaffected Donks as well, that nobody will even bother to give her a look. Meanwhile, the young and dynamic forces in the Democrat Party will be relegated to running for the VEEP spot on her losing ticket. It will have been 16 years since a genuine contender was allowed to emerge from the Donk field, and I don't think that party will benefit from the stagnation.

15 posted on 09/28/2005 3:18:52 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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He has a point in that it'll take a good candidate to win in 2008. Bill Clinton won 2 terms because we ran 2 tired old men against him.


16 posted on 09/28/2005 3:19:39 AM PDT by libertylover (Liberal: A blatant liar who likes to spend other people's money.)
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He speaks the truth.


17 posted on 09/28/2005 3:29:27 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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So the Republicans have a weak bench eh?
That must mean ipsofacto that the Dems have a powerhouse line up.
And just who are these giants the dems have lined up?


18 posted on 09/28/2005 3:31:54 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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In 1990, did anybody outside of Arkansas know who the heck Bill Clinton was, except as the guy who gave the worst nominating speech ever at the 1988 Democratic convention?

The Rats had a "weak" field in 1992, and look what happened.

}:-)4


21 posted on 09/28/2005 3:38:06 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia, where our motto is "Will Riot For Cheap Laptops")
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Hillary? I've seen a number of 'Dean/Obama 2008' stickers around Vermont over the past few months.


26 posted on 09/28/2005 4:02:18 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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And the media,------, will be more pro-Democratic than ever.


LOL! Sorry, that's just not possible unless they come right out and announce they are the prpoganda arm of the Dem party.


27 posted on 09/28/2005 4:03:26 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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Giuliani?


28 posted on 09/28/2005 4:04:53 AM PDT by Capitalism2003
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Pretty sorry state right now. The democrats best hope is a narcissistic, socialistic felon that has wanton lust for power and absolutely no credentials or experience for the office she/it seeks. The Republicans have a bunch beltway insider Senators, one democrat masquerading as a Republican and one Governor with very low name recognition.

Where have all our leaders gone?

I think Evan Byah is a dark horse in this race. Electability guided the last rat nomination..
33 posted on 09/28/2005 4:17:31 AM PDT by IamConservative (Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time will pick himself up and carry on)
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Giuliani would crush all Dem candidates...yes, even Shrillary. Everyone likes Rudy... even the conservatives like me who disagree with him on social issues. The libs of course would dredge up all of Rudy's private peccadilloes, but after Clinton, who are they whine about private lives?


37 posted on 09/28/2005 4:29:22 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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The media keeps trying to push McCain down our throats--wishful thinking I guess.


49 posted on 09/28/2005 5:08:19 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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"But in 2008, there's a reasonably good chance Democrats will able to produce another great field operation. All they'll need is another infusion of money from rich liberals. But Republicans will have a harder time. The 2004 volunteers showed up because of their strong personal commitment to President Bush. Will so many volunteers work so hard for McCain or Allen or Giuliani or whoever wins the Republican presidential nomination in 2008? I doubt it."

I think he's wrong on several counts, but this is way off base. Does he really think that conservatives will stay away when you have the Hildabeast as the demoncratic nominee? I'm backing Allen at this point, but it's still early in the game.
54 posted on 09/28/2005 5:20:27 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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