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1 posted on 09/26/2005 7:27:23 PM PDT by John W
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To: John W
Should we really know all the details about the President's body armor?

I don't think so.

2 posted on 09/26/2005 7:29:49 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: John W

just watched "MODERN MARVELS" A couple of hours ago. Apparently, at least half of all vests that Second Chance manufactures don't pass muster and are scrapped.


3 posted on 09/26/2005 7:36:04 PM PDT by rennatdm
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If someone comes at you with a 44 magnum loaded with 300 hardcast flat points, your going to have trouble with any armor you can fit under a suit coat.


5 posted on 09/26/2005 7:36:53 PM PDT by claudiustg (Vote for one Democrat, vote for them all...)
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Since the company denies the allegation, then I'm sure the CEO wouldn't mind picking one at random and literally standing behind his product for a test demonstration?


6 posted on 09/26/2005 7:39:28 PM PDT by 2IfByC
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Second Chance' top of the line body armor a couple of years ago started using a new fabric that was stronger than Kevlar.
The material was known to deteriorate after 4 or 5 years and was to be replaced regularly. In use it was found that it deteriorated after less than a year. One police Dept, Baltimore I think, had a number of penetrations. They were suposedly all recalled.

This may have something to do with that.

So9

9 posted on 09/26/2005 7:43:37 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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From Second Chance's website (there is a link to another type of vest warning, and a link to the class action lawsuit. Please note: This info was made public in May. The company is in bankruptcy and was acquired by another vest maker in Aug 05:

IMPORTANT SAFETY NOTICE – TRI-FLEX VEST WEARER

Dear Tri-Flex Vest Wearer:

Our concern over the degradation of body armor constructed from Zylon® fiber is well known within the law enforcement community. As the concealable body armor industry leader for over 30 years, we were the first manufacturer to conduct a comprehensive performance evaluation of used vests made from Zylon® and the first to give notice of a potential safety problem.

Independent laboratory testing on used Tri-Flex vests to date have not demonstrated a drop in performance below that to be expected in light of NIJ standards. However, used vest testing no longer appears to be a satisfactory way to determine the reliability of Zylon vests.

We have recently received new information from a technical expert advising us that even those products that only partially rely on the stability and strength of Zylon® fabric may be subject to unexpected failure. In light of this new information, we are no longer confident that our Tri-Flex products, which contain up to 31% Zylon® by weight, will perform to expectations for the life of the original warranty period.

AS A RESULT, AND DUE TO A POTENTIAL FOR SERIOUS PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH, SECOND CHANCE RECOMMENDS THAT YOU TAKE IMMEDIATE STEPS TO REPLACE YOUR TRI-FLEX VEST, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SERVICE ONLY AFTER YOU HAVE OBTAINED A REPLACEMENT.

The mechanism of failure is known as “hydrolysis,” which is a form of degradation that occurs in individual Zylon® fibers used in the construction of soft body armor. We believe this condition is inherent to all of the Zylon® fiber products supplied for use in the manufacture of ballistic vests. The fact that this hydrolytic degradation can result in a sudden, dramatic or catastrophic loss of tensile strength, critical to the performance of our product, only became known to us on May 17, 2005. We have been informed that this sudden loss of tensile strength will vary with individual use and environmental conditions, but could occur within our warranty period even under normal use conditions. While our analysis of Tri-Flex vests in current use indicates modest loss of performance as compared with new products, we have learned that there is no reliable way to predict when the Zylon® fibers might reach the point of failure. We have therefore decided to provide this safety notice even though there have been no field failures reported.

We recognize that you will expect a full and immediate remedy as a result of this notification to remove your Tri-Flex vest from service. Unfortunately, the financial consequences that have resulted from our use of Zylon® fiber have forced us into a bankruptcy reorganization proceeding. We will petition the bankruptcy court and ask that it approve a procedure for presenting claims that may result from this new information. You will be notified once a procedure is established. We did not want to delay this notice while a claims procedure was being developed.

For more information please visit our website at www.secondchance.com, or call 1-800-828-VEST.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT TO US THAN YOUR SAFETY.

12 posted on 09/26/2005 8:33:31 PM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
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Boy, MSNBC is really on top of things! It only took them 5 months to get this story out!


13 posted on 09/26/2005 8:34:39 PM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
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Nice going you NBC Idiots

Just announce to every Loon & Terrorists who hates the President that his Bullet Proof Vest won't save his life

COULD THESE PEOPLE GET ANY MORE STUCK ON STUPID ????


15 posted on 09/26/2005 8:57:19 PM PDT by Mo1
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Sounds like sweat, salts and acids from the body may degrade the fabric. The rate of decay may not have shown up in standard "dummy" testing.

My understanding is that the owner of the company was shocked and may put his company under recalling all of the vests without charge.
16 posted on 09/26/2005 9:04:43 PM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: John W

If you read the entire story (or maybe other stories) you find that the vests are perfectly fine when new, but degrade over time.

I'm guessing that during the period Bush was wearing the vest (if he ever did) it was still new, and worked perfectly.

I would imagine they replace these things often for the president, as they get better ones.

And the last thing we need I guess is to point out that our president wears a vest, much less that it MIGHT be faulty.

But it's just the next step in a country where one political party's sole platform is hatred of, and fighting for the removal of, the sitting president and commander in chief of the country.


17 posted on 09/26/2005 9:13:40 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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wonder just who owns stock in this company...

Soros and friends?

18 posted on 09/26/2005 9:53:52 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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The mmonbats are now lamenting that they missed their golden opportunity.


19 posted on 09/26/2005 10:53:24 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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