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Dispute over evolution goes on trial in U.S. court
Baltimore Sun ^ | September 26, 2005 | Arthur Hirsch

Posted on 09/26/2005 1:53:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

A Pennsylvania school district's use of "intelligent design" in its high school biology curriculum goes on trial in federal court today in the nation's first legal challenge to the idea, which contends that evolutionary theory alone does not explain how life on Earth took shape.

The lawsuit, brought by 11 parents in the Dover Area School District, attacks as unconstitutional the year-old policy of telling ninth-grade biology students that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution "is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no evidence." School officials also recommend a book on intelligent design, or ID.

The plaintiffs, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State, argue that the policy -- which does not require students to study intelligent design -- serves religious, not secular ends, violating the First Amendment.

ID proponents say scientists can look at life forms and identify the work of a controlling "intelligence," although ID advocates are not specific about the nature of that force. While they do not reject all evolutionary theory, ID proponents argue that it incorrectly insists life took shape purely through a mindless process.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: allcrevoallthetime; anothercrevothread; crevolist; crevorepublic; education; enoughalready; evolution; id; lawsuit; religion; scienceeducation
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To: mlc9852
Scientists have not nor will they ever be able to "prove" evolution. But that isn't to say that shouldn't keep trying.

My, your memory is bad today isn't it. Just like always.

201 posted on 09/26/2005 11:01:19 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Antonello
Unless, of course, the other definition would make a good weapon for your side, in which case a little deliberate misconstruing is forgivable since it is more important to win than to be truthful, right?

Otherwise known as the "Fallacy of Equivocation".....

202 posted on 09/26/2005 11:01:34 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Thatcherite

Don't worry - the truth shall set you free.


203 posted on 09/26/2005 11:03:01 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Yeah, they think they have a corner on the intellectual market.


204 posted on 09/26/2005 11:03:17 AM PDT by hyperkitty (DON'T PANIC)
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To: Thatcherite
The key thing about scientific theories is that they should make successful predictions about as-yet unobserved data-points.

OK, what is one prediction concerning the future evolution of any existing species? Note: I won't be particularly impressed if the "prediction" has something to do with a virus "evolving" to another strain - after all, it would still be a virus, yes?

205 posted on 09/26/2005 11:04:58 AM PDT by KMJames
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To: hyperkitty
What kind of scientific term is that?

Good enough for the drivel I was answering. :-)

206 posted on 09/26/2005 11:05:37 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Thatcherite

"The key thing about scientific theories is that they should make successful predictions about as-yet unobserved data-points."

OK, so what is the scientific community's prediction about the next step in the evolutionary process?


207 posted on 09/26/2005 11:08:18 AM PDT by hyperkitty (DON'T PANIC)
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To: Thatcherite
By your words, I know you.

Doesn't that just sum it all up!

208 posted on 09/26/2005 11:11:47 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Good enough for the drivel I was answering. :-)

It was a lot more polite than just saying "Bullsh!t!" too.

209 posted on 09/26/2005 11:13:10 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: KMJames
>The key thing about scientific theories is that they should make successful predictions about as-yet unobserved data-points.

OK, what is one prediction concerning the future evolution of any existing species? Note: I won't be particularly impressed if the "prediction" has something to do with a virus "evolving" to another strain - after all, it would still be a virus, yes?

The ToE predicted that a certain percentage of genetic flaws and harmful mutations in one species would be found in another that descended from a common ancestor. The recently completed mapping of the chimpanzee genome put that prediction to the test. And it passed.

210 posted on 09/26/2005 11:18:08 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: KMJames
OK, what is one prediction concerning the future evolution of any existing species?

When did I mention a prediction like that? Many other types of prediction are possible.

211 posted on 09/26/2005 11:18:53 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: hyperkitty; KMJames
OK, so what is the scientific community's prediction about the next step in the evolutionary process?

Evolutionary biologists cannot predict the course of evolution in the distant future any better than a meteorologist can predict the weather in the distant future. That's not the sort of "prediction" being discussed here.

Some examples of successful predictions made by evolutionary theory

212 posted on 09/26/2005 11:19:06 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: hyperkitty
OK, so what is the scientific community's prediction about the next step in the evolutionary process?

That it will occur.

213 posted on 09/26/2005 11:19:16 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: mlc9852

I'm not worried. I'm already free from ignorance.


214 posted on 09/26/2005 11:19:44 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite

Don't get too over-confident - there is always someone out there smarter than you (though you may find that hard to believe).


215 posted on 09/26/2005 11:21:25 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Loads of people out there are smarter than me, including lots of people in these FR debates, and I've told you that before, so I don't know why you repeat that particular ad-hominem.


216 posted on 09/26/2005 11:22:49 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: mlc9852

Did you take some time to look at the links I provided yet?


217 posted on 09/26/2005 11:23:37 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Antonello

OK, so what is the scientific community's prediction about the next step in the evolutionary process?

That it will occur.

Brillant...


218 posted on 09/26/2005 11:24:41 AM PDT by hyperkitty (DON'T PANIC)
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To: All
Here's a bit of history regarding evolution litigation:

Eight Significant Court Decisions.
The Evolution Controversy. Scopes trial and some Supreme Court cases.
Clarence Darrow’s Examination of William Jennings Bryan. From the Scopes trial transcript.
Freiler v Tangipahoa Parish Board of Education. Louisiana school's evolution disclaimer decision.
Tangipahoa Parish Board of Education v. Freiler. US Sup Ct denied certiorari, Scalia & Thomas dissenting.
Selman v. Cobb County School District. The Georgia textbook sticker case.
McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education (1982). Arkansas statute for "balanced treatment" of "creation-science" & "evolution-science" is unConstitutional.

219 posted on 09/26/2005 11:24:57 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: Thatcherite

That would be "smarter than I".


220 posted on 09/26/2005 11:27:28 AM PDT by mlc9852
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