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To: I8NY

Socialism and communism are merely varying degrees of Marxism. While I don't like the massive amounts of spending that this administration is doing and I am adamantly opposed to his Medicare drug giveaway, I wouldn't label him a socialist. I would prefer "borrow and spend" to "tax and spend" because - like I said before - once the government puts a tax in place, it doesn't go away. Emotional appeals about burdening our children with debt is hyperbole.

Addressing the question, "Is Bush a Socialist?", from the Communist Manifesto, there is a list of ten things that should be put in place for a country to be considered communist and/or socialist. Do these questions look like the agenda of this administration or of the current Democratic party?

1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2.A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3.Abolition of all right of inheritance. (ie. Inheritance or Death Tax)

4.Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5.Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6.Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7.Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8.Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10.Free education for all children in public schools. (and only public schools. No school vouchers, no homeschool tax breaks, no school choice for parents).


116 posted on 09/25/2005 12:39:15 PM PDT by Venerable Bede
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To: Venerable Bede
Emotional appeals about burdening our children with debt is hyperbole.

Why? The money has to be paid back with interest one way or another.

123 posted on 09/25/2005 12:50:48 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Venerable Bede




"Using Currency as the Primary Weapon
I hate to admit it, but the Chinese have done a masterful job. While America’s media is hypnotizing us with frivolous entertainment such as American Idol or The Amazing Race, they are totally ignoring the perilous economic time bomb the Chinese have placed against us. The Government of China is holding U.S. currency and Treasury notes in a $1.9 trillion Treasury bond trap. When they pull the trigger on their “primary weapon,” the dollar will crash..."

http://www.energybulletin.net/4301.html

I certainly don't have the understanding of economics necessary to evaluate this claim but I certainly hope, Ven erable Bede, that you are right and our large foreign debt. is no threat. I would love to be proven wrong. Nonetheless even if this is overly dramatized it continues to strike me as ominous.
125 posted on 09/25/2005 12:58:07 PM PDT by skeptical_con
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To: Venerable Bede

I wouldn't label Bush a socialist. I'm just calling him a spendthrift. And I don't think there's anything conservative about passing the costs of present spending to future generations, ESPECIALLY when that means going into hock to a Communist nation (yes, they are still Communists). This is arithemetic, not hyperbole.

Also, one could point out that Reagan cut taxes and Bush cut taxes, so your point that taxes never go away is incorrect on its face.


248 posted on 09/25/2005 8:12:13 PM PDT by I8NY ("When the legislator has regulated the law of inheritance, he may rest from his labor." -Tocqueville)
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