Posted on 09/24/2005 2:11:22 PM PDT by mwfsu84
In order to have a debate, we would have to have an adverserial two-party system where each party represented those who elected them. As someone who votes Republican, I can say I am not being represented on immigration or something call fiscal policy. Both parties are populated with politicians who cannot see beyond the next election and who are scared to debate this issue.
If the Big Corporations lose cheap labor they will move their operations overseas. Oh, wait, they are anyway.
Excessive government spending and not enforcing the border is tearing the GOP apart. I want Bush impeached along with half the "supreme" court. I also want most members of the house and senate recalled.
Article IV, Section 4
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion."
Bush and congress are in violation of their oath of office and should be removed from office.
Build a wall like Israel did. It would pay for itself in a short period of time through decreased social services costs. In addition, put sniper towers every mile on the border. That would be 1800 snipers.
In just about any other country on Earth, you are liable to be shot if you sneak over the border. Why not here? Why not have a 5 mile demilitarized zone where civilians cannot enter except though designated border crossings?
You can be shot if you trespass Area 51, other government installations, or military bases. Why not the border?
We're reaching the practical limit for any immigration, legal or otherwise. As it is today, we have too much traffic and people. We simply can't have everyone on earth come here.
I'm so sick of hearing "Mexicans do the jobs that Americans won't." It's not that Americans won't do them, they just won't do the job for sub-par wages. Pay a real wage and you'll have Americans cleaning toilets, doing construction, landscaping, etc. just like 50 years ago.
What's worse is all these illegals are not assimulating. I almost hear Espanol more than I hear English nowadays. There's a ton of them that can't or won't speak English.
Your arguments are hopelessly naiive and demonstrate the enormous difficulty we are having knocking sense into a lot of Americans.
One-fourth of the prison population of California is illegal immigrants.
Hundreds of hospitals throughout the southeastern U.S. are on the verge of bankruptcy having to give free medical care to poverty-stricken border jumpers.
The construction of schools in the United States cannot possibly be financed and accomplished as fast as the flood of illegals are entering our country.
Illegals cost the American taxpayers billions more than they can possibly generate in tax revenues.
They are entering the United States with communicable diseases such as tuberculosis.
The origins of violent street gangs of our southeastern cities can be directly traced to the flood of illegals and the barios of hopelessness that have resulted from that flood.
The borders can be effectively controlled by simply making it a felony to employ an illegal. Without jobs, they'll stop coming and many already here will go home.
The penalty for hiring illegal aliens should include prison time and forfeiture of all real estate and personal property.
There is no shortage of labor in the United States. We have a population of nearly 300 million people.
There are millions ready to work. They just won't work for peanuts and live 25 to a house.
I can give you specific example after specific example of legal aliens and American citizens who are underemployed because employers are hiring illegals and undermining the market price (wages) of labor.
Those who obey the law are being penalized so others can exploit an illiterate and desperate underclass.
Legal aliens of hispanic origin DO NOT SUPPORT BORDER JUMPERS. After all, the legal immigrants went through a lot of red tape to be here and they deeply resent others who broke the law.
Illegal immigration is undermining U.S. sovereignty. It is undermining our common culture. It is destroying our common language.
It is wanton lawlessness which begets more and more lawlessness
Illegals don't have to provide birth certificates required of American citizens. We are creating a society where the criminals get preferential treatment in every aspect of daily life. Illegals don't have to pay for medical care. They don't have play by the rules because their very presence is a violation of America's rules.
You are supporting a destruction of this country by supporting lawlessness.
Obeying the law DOES MATTER!!!
If you don't want trespassing strangers to obey the law, why should I have to?
I think the millions of us who obey the law should simply start disobeying it.
See how you like that!
The illegal immigrants who work here earn wages so low that even fully taxing their earnings doesn't pay for the social services they and their families consume. By holding employers "accountable" do you mean that you are proposing special fees on illegal employment of Mexicans? That is the only way the ledger could go from negative to positive.
As it stands now, each illegal costs the taxpayer $88,000 lifetime (this figure is from illegal advocates).
show me one general contractor that is going to move his operation overseas....
Luckily, the Third World is available at every street corner (with a wink and a nod from President Bush)
But the best way for most of these South American countries to improve themselves is revolution, and that has to come from within.
I wish the nations without borders crowd would understand that we don't pull everyone else up to our standard of living, we sink to theirs. Perfect Communism where everyone makes enough money to pay all the new taxes that our government can through at us....I believe in math they call it the lowest common denominator.
"If the Big Corporations lose cheap labor they will move their operations overseas."
I would venture to say the majority of illegals are not employed by "big business." Your local housing contractor probably hires more "illegals" than does your local Walmart.
Drudge has a story about Greece using satelites to spot illegal immigrants. Maybe we need to copy their idea.
If the Supreme Court says it's ok to take your land if someone else can generate more tax revenue than you do, then it must be against the law to hire someone who won't pay income tax.
bravo....
I can agree with your proposals.
well thank you...
Excellent response. The stakes are very high. I think this issue will make or break the chances for a Republican President in 2008, and at this point, I see very little chance for any Republican candidate going on record as strongly against illegal immigration. This means, of course, a regressive Democrat President (Gore or Hillary?) trying to raise taxes, pack the Federal Judiciary with pinko judges and cripple our economy by sucking up to the tree-huggers.
I'm trying my best.
My buddy is misguided and refusing to give him up.
He knows I'll call, and that includes but wouldn't be limited to the IRS and INS.
I know its some Long Island company. One of the after effects of this, is that if this company is cutting costs using illegal labor, either as a hammer to drive down wages on Americans, or as a outright replacement, other competitors will also be forced to do the same creating a forward cyclical effect.
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