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Men's Temper Tantrums That Bother Women May Be Sex Discrimination (9th Circuit Strikes Again)
ASAP Newsletter ^ | September 2005 | Margaret Hart Edwards

Posted on 09/23/2005 12:38:17 PM PDT by Help!

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To: Help!
Under the “reasonable woman” standard devised in an earlier case, Ellison v. Brady, 924 F.2d 872 (9th Cir. 1991), the qualitative differences in the subjective and objective effects of the behavior are the way to determine whether men and women were treated differently. Because women found the behavior subjectively more intimidating than men did, and reasonable women would do so, the conduct treats women differently.

This is hilarious. If he treats these women the same as men, and they react differently then he's treating them differently and therefore he's a misogynist chauvinist abusive patriarchal pig. OTOH had he treated them differently in the first place then he'd still be a misogynist chauvinist abusive patriarchal pig.

Can't we charge these 9th circuit judges with some crime or at least get them committed to a mental institution. I like how they use their earlier insane rulings rulings as precedent. Stare decisis == stupidity

241 posted on 09/24/2005 4:11:29 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: dighton
Not goin' there.

;-)


242 posted on 09/24/2005 6:43:11 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: My2Cents
I agree it shouldn't be sexual discrimination or harrassment, but anyone who yells and screams at coworkers, or the people they supervise, should be canned on the spot.

I used to work with someone like that. He was removed to another department where he wasnt in charge of people..

243 posted on 09/24/2005 6:46:19 AM PDT by cardinal4 ("This is the story of the Hurricane......")
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To: Humidston; dighton
Agreed. Women in the workplace can be vicious. Furthermore, they hide their anger and lash out in a subtle, passive aggressive way.

I have never worked with a man who acted the way some women do!

Gals do not "fight fair", using tactics like nail scratching, pulling hair -- I have known some to pull off the pumps and wave those spikey heels as a weapon.

Instead of whining and requiring the courts to have to get involved here, especially when there are THREE women complaining over the same man, how 'bout you gals screw up the courage and tell this man to shut it? DEMAND that he treat you, not just as a lady, but a HUMAN BEING? No employee must put up with the stuff, put a stop to it yourself! If you get canned for speaking up, then go to HIS boss, or better, the president of the company and discuss ... you honestly think you won't get your post back? Perhaps a better one, since they will move you out of his jurisdiction?

Loudmouthjerk gets something in his file at the very least. And you handle the situation as a mature, secure person It's just not rocket science here.

244 posted on 09/24/2005 6:55:22 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Virginia Queen

of course my darling. When I have a bad hair day, everyone has a bad hair day. ;-}


245 posted on 09/24/2005 7:00:03 AM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Help!

The ninth circus court of black robed kooks and terroists strikes again, how could so many fools and idiots be appointed to judgeships?

Oh yeah, the politicians who love and tax us for the chillun sake appointed these sexist racist bigots.


246 posted on 09/24/2005 7:04:19 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 (Has the pub Congress overturned the Supreme Court private property abomination ?Why not?)
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To: MonaMars
I have described women i the broadest possible terms and based it on over 40 years of working both for them and having them work for me. There are exceptions to every rule of course but be confident in the fact that were it not for the emasculation felt by the younger males in our society many, many more would express what I have.

Todays working men for the most part are weak and frightened of saying the wrong thing. As Benjamin Spock virtually ruined an entire generation of children with his foolish pontifications of how they should be raised (and he has admitted such) so have the rabid women's libbers relegated a goodly number of our male population to the stature of wimps.
247 posted on 09/24/2005 7:05:47 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: dsc

If you can prove great humiliation that led to erectile dysfunction, the sky's the limit.


248 posted on 09/24/2005 7:07:36 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Virginia Queen
No, daarlink. It is merely de voman being ...

Tee hee, an aside here ... years ago, my mom had a vanity plate on her car, but she spelled it with DOLLINK. She never HAD so many people come up and tell her how much they loved that!!

249 posted on 09/24/2005 7:08:30 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Help!

I will sue the next time I have to watch a chic movie.


250 posted on 09/24/2005 7:17:14 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

It really just has to do with character, not sex. If someone yells and screams, lunges -- THAT is inappropriate, period. But to make it a sex-discrimination crime elevates it to a 'more worthy' violation. Like a hate crime. 'Appropriate' is more appropriate if you're a woman.

I think this is so wrong.

The NEA is a bunch of whiney, cry-baby, power-hungry women. And too often the Principals are frightened of women and afraid to stand up to them. Bad combo.


251 posted on 09/24/2005 7:31:25 AM PDT by bboop (Facts are your friend.)
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To: richmwill

Hahaha, you said "it's Julie"???? hahahaha, great job. worth being fired. and at your next interview, you said -- "I was fired because I ..." . oh hahaha. Was it Gray Davis, by any chance?? didn't he scream and holler??


252 posted on 09/24/2005 7:39:12 AM PDT by bboop (Facts are your friend.)
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg

"spelled it with DOLLINK"

OOOOOOOh - I like that! I like that very much. If I had not just reregistered my car, I would get that on my plates. THAT IS GREAT!


253 posted on 09/24/2005 7:47:35 AM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

I'm a boss who has chewed a subordinate's @ss more than once, and would do it again.

Some folks can be led by example. Some need a kick in the rear end. There is no universally effective way to deal with people - each one is an individual and will respond differently.


254 posted on 09/24/2005 8:05:50 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: luckodeirish
Cowboy up ladies. Scream and yell back, works for me.

I find that waiting until they start to wind down (with no reaction), then sweetly and quietly asking "Are you finished?" makes then turn the most extraordinary shade of purple...

255 posted on 09/24/2005 8:11:22 AM PDT by SCalGal
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

I'm in the USAF. The USAF doesn't allow (formally) additional duties as punishment unless full proceedings have been held. Hitting a person is also a no-no. And I don't have the option of firing a subordinate for being stupid, nor do I have the option of hiring who I want. I have to take what I get, and then get performance out of them regardless.

That is why the fine art of @ss-chewing is worth learning. Used correctly, it gets the job done on someone who would take years to learn by my good example - or would never learn.

There is also nothing wrong with well-earned public humiliation. It can set standards and encourage others to perform.

Leadership has no universal rules. Different people respond in different ways to different actions - it is up to the leader to reach into his bag of tricks and find the way that works best for each individual.

I've seen too many ignorant goofballs straighten out after a good chewing to believe it is 'always' wrong. And I've talked to too many senior NCOs who say their lives were turned around - in a positive way - by someone who kicked their rear end until they learned to perform without it.

Must be nice to be able to choose who you hire, or have quiet talks that inspire future performance. But when you're out in the field 10,000 miles from home and you have a boat anchor in the group...well, an attitude adjustment can be in order. My all time favorite that I heard about was when some guys grabbed a 'boat anchor' type and threw him into the slit latrine & told him they'd do it daily until he got his act together. Needless to say, he started working harder right away - and the senior NCOs & officers had the good sense to look the other way.

Wonder what the 9th would say about that?


256 posted on 09/24/2005 8:28:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: My2Cents
I agree it shouldn't be sexual discrimination or harassment, but anyone who yells and screams at coworkers, or the people they supervise, should be canned on the spot.

Not if they are government employees and work for the union. They have protection against arbitrary disciplinary actions. They got rights you know.

257 posted on 09/24/2005 8:56:36 AM PDT by oldbrowser (A living, breathing constitution is a usurpation of the people's sovereignty)
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To: SCalGal
I find that waiting until they start to wind down (with no reaction), then sweetly and quietly asking "Are you finished?" makes then turn the most extraordinary shade of purple...

Brilliant!

258 posted on 09/24/2005 5:08:08 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Smartass

ROTFLOL!

I'm making the "Y" over my head right now,
and heading next to the "M"...

and so it goes. ;o)


259 posted on 09/24/2005 11:23:09 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: aimhigh
NEA created a sex-based hostile work environment ..

Finally someone else got the real point of the story.
It's against the NEA! They're eating their own again!

260 posted on 09/24/2005 11:48:23 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the shadow of The Big Chicken)
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