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To: John Robertson; Dark Skies
Agree. Recall: Only a generation or two ago, it was OUTRAGEOUS for a woman to have a child out of wedlock--she was shamed, her child was a bastard. Barely 25 years later... being a "single mom" is now a lifestyle choice. All because the Left has relentlessly defined morality down.

You can't have it both ways....if you're pro-life (which if you're talking about morality, you in theory should be) you can't slam single mom's. Many including myself, made a decision in a moment, that in all honesty was absolutely sinful, and outside of what God had intended. However that decision resulted in not only a life long consequence, but is now a wonderful blessing and a gift from God. I'd much rather have my consequence then a deadly disease that some people get. Threads like these are like a knife. My "lifestyle choice" as you put it, is a very public consequence. Your thought life or any other 'secret sin' isn't so public (isn't that great, that not all sins have public consequences? :) ). I have to say too, that I might punch someone who ever called my child anything than an amazing creation of God. I'm so grateful for the Grace of God, and that when He looks at me, he doesn't see the yucky sin, or a lifestyle choice, he sees me redeemed. That's what the point should be - not repeating the sin that was forgiven at so great a price. As well as training this gift up in the way of the Lord. (I don't know maybe I can somehow pray harder than my mom did, although I doubt it.)

97 posted on 09/22/2005 7:27:40 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche

Actually, YOU are having it both ways. And you misread my post entirely.

Pro-life has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

You, as a God-loving person of conscience and belief, decided to have your child. Great and good and God bless the both of you. It is what I would wish for my sisters or daughters.

What I was referring to was the removal of the onus for children "born out of wedlock," as the quaint saying goes. That onus kept a lot of women from "going too far," as they knew the consequences were great.

Abortion, in the olden days of 25-30 years ago, was not a remedy for a bad situation like it's become today. It was relatively rare. When a woman of consience got pregnant outside of marriage, she toughed it out and raised the child, or gave it up to adoption (third option, unacceptable to both of us, she aborted it).

But what's going on today, with our "relaxed" society? Get pregnant? Abort. As people here know, abortion, for too many women, is not much more than a very late birth control application (and yes, damn their murdering souls). But now there's another option: Just have the kid. Cool. And I don't need a husband, because, in virtually every neighborhood in the US, no matter the income level, almost no one has the gonads to say, I disapprove of what you're doing.

It's all a complicated, confusing stew of morals and choices (and amoral choices!) coming out of the moral relativistic, feel-good, do what's best for me attitudes the left has--successfully--been foisting on us for two generations. Now you have millions of people who reflexively say, No one can tell a woman what to do with her own body!

Anyway, I appreciate your passion, which is born of your emotionalism for your situation and your child, and that is in no way any kind of criticism. I just think it led you to misinterpret what I was saying. You, I infer, are one of the exceptions--conscience, love, taking a moral stand.

Safe travel to you both.


107 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:42 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: justche
Ain't it great that Jesus is in charge instead of a bunch of thick-headed, judgmental conservatives. In some ways, I am a conservative and in some ways I am a moderate. And in some ways, the way I am is neither moderate, liberal or conservative.

Yet I never fail to notice that those folks that fit a nice little template as to who they are...are the ones so quick to judge anyone different than them.

Ignorance is comfortable in the moldy extremes of either political party. It is always quick to accuse and never around when it is time to step up and accept responsibility.

A few days ago, there was a post on bicycles and conservatives flocked out in high numbers to say they would enjoy driving their SUV over a cyclist. And a few weeks ago, there was an article on pets being rescued in New Orleans. Conservatives lined up to disapprove of any effort that could have otherwise been spent on humans.

I hope you and I don't know first hand, but I fear (yes fear)...that conservatives and liberals will stand side by side in hell. And each will wonder why and how they failed. And they will be angry. Angry that they did not get their way!

109 posted on 09/22/2005 8:02:07 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: justche
I have to say too, that I might punch someone who ever called my child anything than an amazing creation of God. I'm so grateful for the Grace of God, and that when He looks at me, he doesn't see the yucky sin, or a lifestyle choice, he sees me redeemed.

As an adopted child who was born out of wedlock - I THANK YOU!! Pisses me off when people bitch about unwed mothers and call the children bastards, and then wonders why the world is so rife with abortions.

158 posted on 09/22/2005 9:01:06 PM PDT by Alkhin (Richmond, Texas - 40 SW of Houston, Fort Bend County)
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