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To: justche

Actually, YOU are having it both ways. And you misread my post entirely.

Pro-life has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

You, as a God-loving person of conscience and belief, decided to have your child. Great and good and God bless the both of you. It is what I would wish for my sisters or daughters.

What I was referring to was the removal of the onus for children "born out of wedlock," as the quaint saying goes. That onus kept a lot of women from "going too far," as they knew the consequences were great.

Abortion, in the olden days of 25-30 years ago, was not a remedy for a bad situation like it's become today. It was relatively rare. When a woman of consience got pregnant outside of marriage, she toughed it out and raised the child, or gave it up to adoption (third option, unacceptable to both of us, she aborted it).

But what's going on today, with our "relaxed" society? Get pregnant? Abort. As people here know, abortion, for too many women, is not much more than a very late birth control application (and yes, damn their murdering souls). But now there's another option: Just have the kid. Cool. And I don't need a husband, because, in virtually every neighborhood in the US, no matter the income level, almost no one has the gonads to say, I disapprove of what you're doing.

It's all a complicated, confusing stew of morals and choices (and amoral choices!) coming out of the moral relativistic, feel-good, do what's best for me attitudes the left has--successfully--been foisting on us for two generations. Now you have millions of people who reflexively say, No one can tell a woman what to do with her own body!

Anyway, I appreciate your passion, which is born of your emotionalism for your situation and your child, and that is in no way any kind of criticism. I just think it led you to misinterpret what I was saying. You, I infer, are one of the exceptions--conscience, love, taking a moral stand.

Safe travel to you both.


107 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:42 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: John Robertson

You neglect to mention that single motherhood is not only a result of unmarried and unprotected sex, but from deadbeat fathers leaving their children behind when they leave their marriage. I am sure you realize that this is pathetically common and is in no way to be construed as a "choice" made by the mother except for her initial decision to marry a loser.

Even the most amicable divorces with two parents who love the child often result in one parent having physical custody and the other ending up with visitation. This is another scenario for single-parenthood where the custodial parent may not have "chosen" their situation, but rather agreed to it or was ordered by the court to comply.


111 posted on 09/22/2005 8:09:04 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use those bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: John Robertson

so what do you say to the child who IS born out of wedlock? that they are "less than" worthy of societal integration because of a bad decision their mother made? Because thats what I hear every time I hear the word bastard...and how children born out of wedlock were automatically shunted out of the 'normal' flow of societal movement...is this what you think we shoudl return to?


164 posted on 09/22/2005 9:07:44 PM PDT by Alkhin (Richmond, Texas - 40 SW of Houston, Fort Bend County)
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To: John Robertson
It's all a complicated, confusing stew of morals and choices (and amoral choices!) coming out of the moral relativistic, feel-good, do what's best for me attitudes the left has--successfully--been foisting on us for two generations. Now you have millions of people who reflexively say, No one can tell a woman what to do with her own body!

I never really believed in the "it's my own body arguement" to abortion either but I could never put it into words until recently. The body is like a temple and the true owner of them is God. We are supposed to take care of them as best as we can, now I'll admit that I can always do a better job, I mean I practically live on caffeine, provides fuel for my job at work, but I don't drink, smoke, etc. Of course, being male, I cant experience an abortion, not that I want to, but abortion is really a very huge offense against the body. Of course in the case of the baby, the baby is killed but it is also stressful on the woman's body, there could be complications and/or if you get too many, you will not be able to have children. Our bodies, the way I see it, are like rental cars, we will have to turn them in as our souls depart them as we go meet God.
371 posted on 09/23/2005 2:19:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - Any Questions?)
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