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To: John Robertson

so what do you say to the child who IS born out of wedlock? that they are "less than" worthy of societal integration because of a bad decision their mother made? Because thats what I hear every time I hear the word bastard...and how children born out of wedlock were automatically shunted out of the 'normal' flow of societal movement...is this what you think we shoudl return to?


164 posted on 09/22/2005 9:07:44 PM PDT by Alkhin (Richmond, Texas - 40 SW of Houston, Fort Bend County)
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To: Alkhin

"so what do you say to the child who IS born out of wedlock? that they are "less than" worthy of societal integration because of a bad decision their mother made? Because thats what I hear every time I hear the word bastard...and how children born out of wedlock were automatically shunted out of the 'normal' flow of societal movement...is this what you think we shoudl return to?"

It's late, so I'm just going to pretend you're drunk or you have hurricane jitters.

"so what do you say to the child who IS born out of wedlock?"

Sorry your parents weren't married when you were born, I'd say. I hope you've found a father-figure who fills that role in just nicely for you. Or maybe even your biological father checks in on you now and then. Please remember: Others chose your status, not you. You are no less worthy, in any way, than any person you come across, in your entire life.

"that they are "less than" worthy of societal integration because of a bad decision their mother made?"

You're speaking from a perspective that is at least 35 years old, maybe older. First of all, if the mother decided to have the kid, that's a good decision. If you're talking about her behavior that led to her pregnancy, it was actually a minimum of two bad decisions, followed no doubt by countless others.

"Because thats what I hear every time I hear the word bastard..."

The word bastard was originally a legal term. It's an ugly word, I'll grant you, but I did not coin it.

"and how children born out of wedlock were automatically shunted out of the 'normal' flow of societal movement..."

Nobody's shunted anywhere, least of all from the normal flow of societal movement. My whole point was: They're NOT shunted anywhere. Most of society, per the media and prevailing stupidity, see an unmarried woman with a child as just another lifestyle choice--as valid as the one with two parents, two mommies, etc. It's like the view on marriage they're trying to sell us: man, woman; man, man; woman, woman; squirrel...hammer.

"is this what you think we shoudl return to?""

I think we should return to careful reading of people's posts before we fire off assinine responses like yours.

You have really cheesed me off. I suspect that you shot off because you are somehow close to this situation of a child born out of wedlock, in one way or another.

This usually goes like this: We fire back several responses, each escalating the fire, until we flame out and end up apologizing, or else put one another on our FR enemies for life list.

Let's save some time and energy. I apologize for any and all insults you may have perceived. I know I must have meant them in the moment, but now they seem too harsh. I can't take them back, as I already said them. But part of me--and not necessarily a small part--wishes that I had just gone to bed.

Stay safe from big weather.

Love you, man (but not in the homo way).


182 posted on 09/22/2005 9:32:04 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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