Intelligent designers down on Dover

The York Dispatch ^ | 9/20/2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

[Vive ut Vivas]

Not Atkins, just not a fan of pasta. I'll take the cake, though. ;-)

[Vive ut Vivas]

I'll take the day off but, do I go to hell if I don't eat the pizza?

You'll be put on probation.

[malakhi]

Last time I check 2+2=4

2+2=4 is only true within certain algebraic systems.

When evo is that clear...you can have your freedom.

My freedom is not contingent upon your understanding of science.

2/3 of America is waiting.

Argumentum ad numerum is a logical fallacy.

[Vive ut Vivas]

See! Look at all these loyal followers! Is my divinity on good authority now?

[wallcrawlr]

The words on the page are the words on the page, but how one understands them is a matter of interpretation. You, not untypically, assume that your reading is the only one that is not an interpretation -- and that everyone else's reading is errant.

Are you a professional drummer?

[malakhi]

we can observe gravity in action. We have yet to observe a macro-evolutionary event or creation.

Nor have we observed many things in geology and cosmology. Not all science is done in a lab.

[dread78645]

... I, Vive ut Vivas, am the one true Goddess, and that all other Gods and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are false, would you believe me?

Do you have a stripper factory and beer volcano?

[anguish]

we can observe gravity in action

Yes, but only micro-gravity. Noone knows what happens when an object falls out of range of our sensors. This is why gravity is a theory in crisis!

[b_sharp]

"If I announced here on FreeRepublic that I, Vive ut Vivas, am the one true Goddess, and that all other Gods and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are false, would you believe me?"

If you placed a picture, on this thread, of yourself changing broccoli into something that actually tasted good and was worth eating I might.

I suspect it would be impossible even for a Goddess to produce.

[narby]

Scientists somehow say that their view of creation and origins is fact, and not faith,

You're working under the concept that anything that we can't reproduce in a lab or reliably witness in person is somehow unverifiable. This is not the case.

The scientific method allows for this by using hypotheses to predict what we would be able to test for, or witness, if a certain thing were true. For example, how would we know if the Hawaiian Islands were formed by plate tectonics vs. a hot spot in the earths magma that the plate was passing over? It is possible to make predictions on what we would find in these cases, and determine the correct answer, even though we cannot roll a time machine backward and see the Islands form.

Ichneumon has a great post on that subject here. I suggest you read it all thoroughly until you understand it.

You must accept or reject Genesis on faith alone. There is no way to verify the supernatural via science.

But science does give us methods to verify many things about the natural world, and Evolution has been thoroughly verified by many different methods. That's why it's presented as "fact". Because as well as we can determine, that's what it is.

[b_sharp]

"we can observe gravity in action. We have yet to observe a macro-evolutionary event or creation. It is faith that you believe these things occur the way you say they did. Just as I believe by faith that God created them from nothing. Science does not make untested assumptions, except, it seems, for cell to man evolution.

What exactly is a macro-evolutionary event?

[b_sharp]

"I filed my application for the position of Consort long before your obscene post. And as for your appendage, I doubt that Her Divinity would even notice it.

It sounds like longshadow isn't really firm in his desire to be the consort of Her Divinity. Noodly appendages aren't really of much use to a Goddess, considering the stiff competition available.

[b_sharp]

"And perhaps I can have many Consorts. I'm flexible, I'm a swinger.

It's good to know that even goddesses enjoy a little monkey business.

[b_sharp]

"No signature needed; just the typical conversion rituals. "

Are you sure you want to watch 3 naked men dance around a large fire? Things could get a wee bit touchy.

[b_sharp]

"I do have one request, however, and that's the giving up of spaghetti. It is not Pleasing To Me.

How about Chicken and Mushroom Fettuccine? That's OK isn't it? Please?

[b_sharp]

"And at my House of Worship, I have the entire TV series on DVD. This is how we do.

Doesn't everybody? Well, mine is on VHS, but same difference.

[2ndreconmarine]

("Right Wing Profesor is a toad. All toads are small. Therefore, Right Wing Professor is small" is a logical statement) but entirely erroneous based on the assumptions.

I have a better one for you:

DaveLoneRanger is an idiot. Liberals are idiots. Therefore, DaveLoneRanger is a liberal.

is a logical statement

No, Dave, it is not a "logical statement". It is a logical fallacy. If you had more than an 8th grade education you would understand that.

However, like most ID / creationists, you have to accuse us of being athiests because you cannot compete, even marginally, on an intellectual or educational basis.

We can debate the evolution / creationism issue. Some people can even do it intelligently. But here is something that is an incontrovertible fact. DaveLoneRanger is not the equal of RightWingProfessor by any measure: mental, moral, or physical.

[Right Wing Professor]

You're much too kind, but alas, I doubt I could have been a marine.

[longshadow]

It sounds like longshadow isn't really firm in his desire to be the consort of Her Divinity. Noodly appendages aren't really of much use to a Goddess, considering the stiff competition available.

SWINE!

Impudent scounderel!

How dare you cast aspersions on my Noodliness? It's as al dente as perfection itself!

[b_sharp]

"How dare you cast aspersions on my Noodliness? It's as al dente as perfection itself!

As a test of this 'firmness', could you see if it sticks to the wall? Hmmm?