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Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist (Able Danger Hearing)
The New York Times ^ | September 20, 2005 | PHILIP SHENON and ANNE E. KORNBLUT

Posted on 09/20/2005 6:25:39 PM PDT by 4mor3

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To: I8NY

I'm not linking china and Al Q...

What I'm saying is....

I think that somewhere in the 2.5 terabytes of purged info....there is something to incriminate someone...something that couldnt come out just before an election cycle....

Something that most probably went unoticed by the reasearchers themselves (seeing as they were concentrating on terror subjects)....

Call it an un-intended consequence of data mining...

What ever it was..it was close enough to home to not only pull the plug...but to purge all the info as well...


281 posted on 09/22/2005 7:12:06 AM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: I8NY
Then W has a different agenda now than when he came into office and announced that all investigations and prosecutions of the Clintons would stop.

Of course he's protecting them. Are you kidding me?

282 posted on 09/22/2005 7:22:35 AM PDT by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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To: strategofr
Personally, I don't think that explains Able Danger.

If you look through the "preserving the Clinton Legacy" eyeglasses, even Able Danger can be explained in that it was apparently shut down due to Jamie Gorelick's wall between different intelligence agencies and that wall was established to keep those same agencies from putting 2 and 2 together on Clinton on a multitude of counts.

283 posted on 09/22/2005 10:51:01 AM PDT by Rockitz (Geena YES, Hill NO!)
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To: mrobison

Okay, color me stupid. Why would W go out of his way to protect Clinton?


284 posted on 09/22/2005 1:53:42 PM PDT by I8NY
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Devastating article and picture. With a 14-year-old son, I can directly relate. We must never forget ANY of the victims of terrorism.


285 posted on 09/22/2005 2:03:55 PM PDT by I8NY
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To: Rockitz

"If you look through the "preserving the Clinton Legacy" eyeglasses, even Able Danger can be explained in that it was apparently shut down due to Jamie Gorelick's wall between different intelligence agencies and that wall was established to keep those same agencies from putting 2 and 2 together on Clinton on a multitude of counts"

I agree that it could be explained that way. But the connection between the two seems somewhat convoluted to me. It doesn't seem to me that investigators, finding out about presidential wrongdoing, would drop it due to Gorelick's wall. That wall after all, was directed at ordinary citizens. It seems to me that they would either try to cover it up. Or try to bring it out---depending on political affiliation.

The much more direct effect of Gorelick's wall was to completely inhibit all investigations of terrorism. I believe the impetus for Gorelick's wall came from the worldwide organized hard left (WOHL)---a group, Hillary has been a member of in good standing since back in the days when it was simply World Communism. I believe the purpose was to help terrorists. Of course, I do not believe this will ever be proven.


286 posted on 09/22/2005 2:09:29 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: I8NY
Okay, color me stupid. Why would W go out of his way to protect Clinton?

Filegate and associated blackmail. That's the only excuse I can come up with that explains the last 7-8 years politically speaking.

287 posted on 09/22/2005 3:56:56 PM PDT by Rockitz (Geena YES, Hill NO!)
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To: InterceptPoint
Bush is covering for Clinton. Don't ask me why.

He rewards the enemies of the US (Palestinians) - he punishes the friends the US (Israel). So, it stands to reason that his moral compasss is set to the same direction as Clinton's.
288 posted on 09/22/2005 3:59:27 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: I8NY
Amazing about the SR-71, my favorite aircraft. Reconnaissance I get, but what were they going to strike with?

The initial design (the A-12) actually was designed and paid for by the CIA for reconaissance. However, the subsequent difficulties of the B-58 jet and ASG-18 missile gave Lockheed the idea to adapt the A-12 design for continental defense.

And so, it was adapted into the YF-12 design, and was going to have a number of these (93 actually) interceptors stationed stateside, to guard against Russian high-speed, low-level bombers. Their speed would allow them to get to the point of incursion quickly. It was to be armed with the XAIM-47A. Turns out Robert S#!^head McNamara preferred the F-106, and so that was the end of the YF-12 variant.

So Lockheed came back and proposed it as a stategic reconaissance bomber, designated the RS-12. Once again, McNamara saw as a threat to the ailing B-70 project. He declared there was no need for a Mach 3+ weapons delivery platform, but the RS designation was retained "for political reasons." It was at this point that Johnson flubbed his classified speech and referred to the SR, rather than the RS program. As a result, the designation was hastily and officially changed. And while my reference source ("Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird", by Paul F. Crickmore, 1986, Osprey: London) does not explain how it got from "12" to "71", it might have just been for disinformation reasons.

BTW, you bring to mind another Pentagon scandal: the retirement of the Blackbird.

I can only presume that, despite the hoopla, we have something even better. I recall hearing vague things about something called Aurora in the media around that time. My brother-in-law was a blue-suiter and later a Lockheed rep who spent his career working on the high-end Lockheed products (that is how I got this great reference book autographed by many of the pilots, RSO's, techs and even the Det 4 commander). My brother-in-law can "neither confirm nor deny" the existence of Aurora. I only in recent years found out (upon declassification) that my Dad, while at GE, designed the 1st successful reentry heat shield (after others had failed) for the original US spy satellite (Discoverer). So I can only guess that the US had an continues to have all sorts of reconaissance platforms to choose from.

But I agree, I sure miss the SR-71, which I had several of opportunities to observe up close, on the ground and in flight, over the years. What a feat of engineering it remains to this day.

By the way, I highly recommend the reference book I cited in this post, if you have interest in the Blackbird.

289 posted on 09/22/2005 8:13:22 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

"In short, rules are no better than the SOB who comes up with them. "


Or in this case, the SOBs enforcing them.


290 posted on 09/22/2005 8:14:40 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: XEHRpa

Thanks for the very informed reply, X. I'll check out Crickmore. I've seen the 'bird on the Intrepid, but never in flight. IMO, just the flat-out coolest work of engineering that ever made it off the drafting table. Too bad the original plan wasn't pursued--might have shortened the Cold War.

Aurora, huh? Interesting. Sounds like you come from a very distinguished defense family.


291 posted on 09/22/2005 11:24:55 PM PDT by I8NY
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To: Rockitz

Well, that's the usual story, and Lord knows the Clintons had access to the files. Of course that begs the question--what's in 'em?


292 posted on 09/22/2005 11:27:27 PM PDT by I8NY
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To: StarFan



Read this thread:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488331/posts


293 posted on 09/23/2005 6:07:02 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Jabbar Gibson for mayor of Newer Orleans)
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To: JulieRNR21

Apparently the pressure had some affect as the DOD said the witnesses can now testify. Will ping you to that thread.


294 posted on 09/24/2005 1:07:07 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Blzbba

"In short, rules are no better than the SOB who comes up with them. Or in this case, the SOBs enforcing them."

Actually, it was the Gorelick memo which led to this mess, unless there's something I'm missing. A fish stinks from the neck up.


295 posted on 09/28/2005 7:48:23 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Rules are no better than the SOB who comes up with them. Remember the Gorelick Wall.)
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