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NASA to offer $100 billion moon program
Reuters ^ | September 18, 2005

Posted on 09/18/2005 4:50:22 PM PDT by RWR8189

With the shuttle fleet grounded and the International Space Station staffed by a skeleton crew, NASA is set to unveil plans on Monday to take people and cargo to the moon.

Even before the official announcement, there is criticism from Capitol Hill over the reported $100 billion cost of the lunar program, given U.S. government commitments to the Iraq war and the recovery from Hurricane Katrina.

"This plan is coming out at a time when the nation is facing significant budgetary challenges," Rep. Bart Gordon, a Tennessee Democrat on the House Science Committee, said in a statement. "Getting agreement to move forward on it is going to be heavy lifting in the current environment, and it's clear that strong presidential leadership will be needed."

To get astronauts back to the moon for the first time since the Apollo 17 mission in 1972, one team of designers envisioned an Apollo-style capsule sitting atop rockets fashioned from shuttle components, including the shuttle's massive external tank and solid rocket boosters. There would be a separate space vehicle to carry only cargo.

The Space.com Web site reported that this scenario was presented to White House officials last week before its formal unveiling to the public on Monday. The new $100 billion lunar program would begin in 2018 by landing four people on the moon for a seven-day stay, Space.com reported.

NASA officials could not be reached for comment on Sunday.

President's vision for space
President George W. Bush's plan to send Americans back to the moon by 2020 and eventually on to Mars has drawn skepticism since its unveiling in January 2004, less than a year after the Feb. 1, 2003, shuttle Columbia disaster.

Bush's Vision for Space Exploration called for the development of a system to replace the aging shuttles, a goal that appears even more important given problems with the shuttle fleet's return to flight.

The same problems with falling debris that doomed Columbia recurred in July with the launch of Discovery, prompting the grounding of the shuttle fleet even as Discovery continued to fly its mission. A September shuttle mission was delayed until November and then to March.

Some $1.1 billion damage by Hurricane Katrina to NASA facilities in Louisiana and Mississippi could push the launch date back further still.

Bush's plan also mandated the completion of the International Space Station, but without shuttles to do the heavy lifting, that process has been on hold. A pair of Russian vehicles--the space taxi Soyuz and the space delivery van Progress--have been ferrying people and material.

Since the fatal Columbia disaster, only two-person crews, rather than the normal three-person crews, have stayed aboard the station.

With the shuttles slated for retirement in 2010, NASA Administrator Michael Griffin has estimated that the number of construction flights to the station could be pared from its earlier estimate of 28 to 15.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Technical
KEYWORDS: 2010; 2018; 2020; badbadidea; boondoggle; bush43; mars; moon; nasa; no; noway; shuttle; space; spaceprogram; spacetravel; wasteofmoney; whatheheckfor
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To: RWR8189
That money is spent over more then a decade. Reality check where our money goes in a *single* year........


22 posted on 09/18/2005 5:14:03 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: RWR8189
I have to say this is insane. Our government is spending like their drunk debutant with her dads credit cards. I have been trying to get hold of government spending but it squirted out of my hands like a greasy pig. However, I did see the current public debt
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 19 Sept 2005 at 12:11:52 AM GMT is:



The estimated population of the United States is 297,201,552
so each citizen's share of this debt is $26,659.60.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.54 billion per day since September 30, 2004!
24 posted on 09/18/2005 5:14:34 PM PDT by Kuehn12 (Kuehn12)
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To: RWR8189
"I'd rather advance science and send men to the Moon and Mars than spend billions of dollars rebuilding a city built below sea level."

Ditto! Ditto! Ditto!

25 posted on 09/18/2005 5:17:25 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Mrs Mark
Don't forget NASA will help in a movie,where the husband of an astronaut, loses his wedding ring in the shower.

Don't remember that one, but "Apollo 13" had a similar scene with Mrs. Lovell in the shower.

26 posted on 09/18/2005 5:18:59 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
As long as the government includes nicely colored charts in the deal, why not go.

After all people really don't need all the money in their paychecks anyway.

27 posted on 09/18/2005 5:23:07 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Mrs Mark

"After all people really don't need all the money in their paychecks anyway."

Who do you think NASA employs? Who gets contracts?


28 posted on 09/18/2005 5:24:17 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: battlegearboat

Courtesy of EchoTalon

29 posted on 09/18/2005 5:25:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Coyoteman
Don't remember that one, but "Apollo 13" had a similar scene with Mrs. Lovell in the shower.

In the next missions the men will be staying home with the kids.

30 posted on 09/18/2005 5:25:49 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Who do you think NASA employs? Who gets contracts?

People on the government dole, whose paychecks are funded with money taken at the point of a gun.

Have you forgotten about the taxpayers?

31 posted on 09/18/2005 5:29:25 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Holy schnikeys... from 6 trillion to 7.5 trillion inside of 4 years... thatsalotta money.


32 posted on 09/18/2005 5:29:28 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Mrs Mark
In the next missions the men will be staying home with the kids.

Women have higher power-to-weight ratios and use both less space and fewer consumables than men. All of that seems to be a no brainer for the selection.

Start the young girls out as pilots early and see what you get!

33 posted on 09/18/2005 5:30:42 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Coyoteman
Start the young girls out as pilots early and see what you get!

I sure the boys will do just fine baking cakes and making cookies in school. :)

34 posted on 09/18/2005 5:33:05 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: RWR8189
We'll probably spend close to that on NASA over the next decade or so anyway.

Might as well get back to the moon with that money rather than putzing around in low earth orbit with 20-year old shuttles.

35 posted on 09/18/2005 5:34:03 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Mrs Mark

"Have you forgotten about the taxpayers?"


I didnt realize that Lockheed Martin is on the "public dole".

I am a taxpayer. And I believe in space exploration strongly as does the President wisely so.


36 posted on 09/18/2005 5:35:50 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Alter Kaker
It is more than science. Do you want to look up at lights on the moon and know they are Chinese? Or Russian? Or European? They all say they are going. Maybe they can and then send some pictures back for us. Or do you not really want to cede the rest of the universe to other nations?
I hear the same arguments about the F-22 raptor. Now other nations have the next generation fighter that can match or beat the F-15. Do you really want to play catch up to others while you count your investments?
37 posted on 09/18/2005 5:41:21 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I didn't realize that Lockheed Martin is on the "public dole".

Think real hard about it ... where does the government get it's money from? The government is transferring money from the paychecks of those outside of the government, to those inside the government umbrella.

The notion that government workers pay taxes is just a shell game to dupe honest taxpayers. The government pays them with one hand at the same time taking a a kickback with the other, and claiming taxes were paid.

38 posted on 09/18/2005 5:42:27 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: RWR8189

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BUSH =

The LIBERTY Century on Earth


BUSH =

The LIBERTY Century on Mars

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39 posted on 09/18/2005 5:44:25 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: The Iguana
We'll probably spend close to that on NASA over the next decade or so anyway.

$15 billion a year is what it's been and what it will be. $100 billion in 12 years, which is three Presidential terms by the way, means NASA won't be giving the moon program its full attention, but only about 1/2. The FedGov could withdraw from the 1967 Treaty and firm up the legal environment and private industry could take care of business at no [in our imaginary ideal world] taxpayer cost.

40 posted on 09/18/2005 5:44:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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