[GiovannaNicoletta]

I meant marriage when I said commitment, but I should have been more specific. After all, "commitment" can mean all sorts of things to different people.

I aggree 100% with the rest of your post. So many things our great-grandparents knew, that we have rejected or forgotten, that made a society civilized and ordered.

It's a terrible shame, the state we're in.

[Age of Reason]

And did not say until he shows he is interested in marriage.

I said until actually married--as in after the wedding.