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To: lawgirl
That is the legal and social system as it is today. Everything encourages a woman to dump her husband and take his income and bar him from contact with his children. Men in this society are simply income sources for women, entitlements, as it were.

The society, the government, everything, tells women that having a man in the house is at best, neutral in the raising of children, and more often is harmful.

No. I am not a bitter divorce. I am contentedly married these last 35 years. But I tell my son he is a fool to contemplate marriage. He will be relatively affluent in 10 years and his wife will have zero economic motivation to stay with him and zero social motivation and lots of pressure from the system to divorce him and secure his income stream for herself and whatever boyfriends she chooses to move in with. No court will consider anything in his favor.

From observation of the people around me, it appears that a man is more apt to be permitted to see his children after a court fight if he never married the mother in the first place.

I know one fellow who, barred from seeing his 2 children at all, had his child support payments raised because the ex had another baby that was not his and was not claimed to be his. The children's welfare is, after all, the main consideration.

On the odds, a young man is a pure fool to get married in Modern American. The original biological attraction for marriage was sex and connection to his children. The first is free and relatively easy without all that paperwork and the second is officially denigrated and evermore tenuous. With the courts grotesquely stacked against a man, why on earth would he even consider marrying a lawyer ?????

1,145 posted on 09/19/2005 2:53:14 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: arthurus

That's the most cynical and outrageous and wrong thing I've read yet. I do not believe that you are not divorced and bitter. I do not believe you are happily married. (What is "contentedly married"? An insult to your own wife?)
"The legal and social system as it is today" is not like you describe at all.
No man could be so emasculated if he didn't let it happen to him, and it doesn't happen by getting married.


1,146 posted on 09/19/2005 3:09:39 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: arthurus
Let me give you a MALE perspective on this for a bit. PART of what you say is right, in that courts are stacked against a man, nowdays. And yes a bitter, vindictive, femilezi-type woman will often use this to her advantage and "clean the man's clock" as it was.

However a movement is SUPPOSEDLY on today, to change this "no fault" divorce culture, and make harder to "cut and run" to to speak. So, in the future, maybe the courts will not be so one-sided.

BUT-- there is another side to this story. You say "a man would be a fool to get married in America, nowdays". What about the cases (and I know of several, myself), where the MAN runs off, and leaves the women with several children which HE fathered, to support, with NO help from him? Or, what about the wife who has to support the family, because her husband is so hooked on drugs, that he cannot KEEP a job(he can GET any job he wants through his mastery of Bull$hit, but cannot KEEP one longer than a few months), still this wife stays with her husband.

Or, what about the situation, where the husband makes 100k+, a year, has a vacation home, several vehicles, boats, ATV's, houses, etc.BUT his wife is MADE to work TWO jobs, to "pay for her bills", such as her vehicle, insurance and "lady needs". THAT to me is an ATROCITY, when a couple marries all of the :normal " bills should be one one common acount, IMHO, and a wife should NOT be made to work two jobs to pay for "her" things, in a marriage.And before you ask, NO, she is not a "shopaholic", who forced her husband to do this, after running up a huge credit-card bill. No, this woman is modest, and does NOT run to bloomingdales, saks, or ANY of those places, to "spend her hubby's money". HE is just a tightwad, stingy type. BTW-- these are NOT some people I read abou, or heard about on Jerry Springer-- these are people I went to school with, who are now adults.

Not ALL women strive to "hook 'em, nook 'em and crook 'em, as you state. SOME do, of course. BUT some MEN marry a wealthy women, to use her financially, also.

Lest you think I am some metrosexual, liberal type, I am NOT, and have had MORE than my share of "bad dealings" with women. Most women find me undesirable, because I am not very much into sports, or fashion, or hollywood, but am more into politics, science, technology and world affairs. I am also NOT a drinker, druggie, I do not smoke, and I want a woman as a friend and companion, NOT as a "bed partner, for the weekend". This attitude(not wanting a quick "fling"); does NOT seem to be very popular nowdays. One thing: you are married, and claim to be satisfied, so what makes YOU so bitter? I doubt you have put up with some of the things from women that I ,or some of the other single men here , have. You have a LOT to be thankful for, and do not even realize it.

I am SURE that god will send Lawgirl a good, decent, morally-centered man, to be a partner to, in good time, if that is what she desires, as long as she is faithful, and does NOT just "settle for the next opportunity that comes her way" Somehow, I don't think she will. She seems to have a good head on her shoulders, and of good moral character. For you to basically tell her, she is destined to lead a life alone, due to her profession, is cruel, to say the least!!!!

1,174 posted on 09/19/2005 1:41:25 PM PDT by Rca2000 ( "What? No gravy? (POW!!) "Next time, remember the gravy!!!"(From "Chow Hound",1951.))
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