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To: King Prout
In the 1700's many scientists believed that life spontaneously generated from non-living matter (such as raw meat or sewage). In the 1800's, using careful experimentation, Louis Pasteur proved this concept wrong and verified that life only comes from previously existing life.

Ironically, many scientists have once again returned to the belief that life came from non-life. . . in spite of the fact that there is no experimental evidence to show how that could have happened. The reason this unsupported belief has returned is that science has been defined as to eliminate the consideration of the only other alternative-the creation of life by an intelligent designer.

No Chance of Life by Chance Author: Bruce Malone In the 1700's many scientists believed that life spontaneously generated from non-living matter (such as raw meat or sewage). In the 1800's, using careful experimentation, Louis Pasteur proved this concept wrong and verified that life only comes from previously existing life. Ironically, many scientists have once again returned to the belief that life came from non-life. . . in spite of the fact that there is no experimental evidence to show how that could have happened. The reason this unsupported belief has returned is that science has been defined as to eliminate the consideration of the only other alternative-the creation of life by an intelligent designer. Search for the Truth This article is one of many found within Mr. Malone's excellent book, Search for the Truth. Even the simplest living cell is an incredibly complex machine. It must be capable of detecting malfunctions, repairing itself, and making copies of itself. Man has never succeeded in building a machine capable of these same functions.

Yet most scientists accept the belief that life arose from non-life (in spite of the evidence clearly indicating that it did not and could not happen). This incredible belief is as absurd as finding a complex chemical manufacturing facility on Mars and assuming that it built itself.

One classic experiment which is used to support the belief that life "built itself" is an experiment by Stanley Miller in 1953. In this experiment sparks were discharged into an apparatus which was circulating common gases. These gases reacted to form various organic products which were collected and analyzed. The experiment succeeded in producing only a few of the 20 amino acids required by itself. Furthermore, the dozens of major problems with this experiment as an explanation for the formation of life are seldom reported.

For instance, our early atmosphere was assumed to have no oxygen because this would stop amino acid formation. However, with no oxygen, there would be no ozone shield. With no ozone shield, life would also be impossible. Furthermore, oxidized rocks throughout the geologic record indicate that oxygen has always been present.

In addition to this, the same gases which can react to form amino acids undergo known reactions in the presence of sunlight which remove them from the atmosphere. The required gases would not have been around long enough for life to have developed! In addition, a cold trap was used to keep the reaction products from being destroyed as fast as they formed.

The biggest problem is that the amino acids formed in this experiment are always a 50/50 mixture of stereotypes (L and D forms). Stereotypes are like a drawer full of right-hand and left-hand gloves, identical in every way except a mirror image of each other. Life contains only L stereotypes of these randomly produced amino acids. Yet equal proportions of both types are always produced. How could the first cell have selected only L stereotypes from a random, equally reactive mixture? No answer to this has ever been found.

These are just a few of the problems with the fanciful idea that life generated itself. The linking of these randomly produced amino acids into the required proteins is an even more overwhelming impossibility.

No experiment has ever shown that the matter has the ability to come alive. The best explanation for life is still that "life only comes from pre-existing life". As you search for truth, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the source of all life... is GOD.

Try again prout.

121 posted on 09/17/2005 10:50:08 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary; P-Marlowe

Considering the fact that at no point in this discussion have I addressed the origin of life itself, nor extolled the virtues of one or another theory of abiogenesis (you will kindly note NOW, as you seem to have failed to do the first time around, that in #110, the FIRST factor of the GIVEN is an EXTANT "large population of single cell organisms"), your replies and your admonishments that I "try again" are curious indeed.

I can think of a few possible explanations for your responses:
1. you gentlemen are unobservant
-or-
2. you gentlemen are so deeply steeped in an indoctrinated belief system that you literally cannot comprehend arguments which fall outside of your narrow creed. This is an intermediary between simple unobservance and...
-or-
3. you gentlemen are actually stupid
-or-
4. you gentlemen are engaging in deliberate mendacity.
-or-
5. All of the above.

Which is it? Or is there another possibility?


126 posted on 09/17/2005 11:12:03 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Believe whatever you wish. Most likely life has been around as long as the universe ~ or the multi-verse ~ and certainly far longer than the time the Earth (as the Earth) has existed.

Even Genesis says God planted a garden ~ which can be done if and only if you have a supply of seed prepared beforehand somewhere else.

140 posted on 09/17/2005 4:57:08 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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