Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Glitch blamed for out-of-control jet
The Courier-Mail (Australia) ^ | 17sep05 | Steve Creedy

Posted on 09/16/2005 11:39:52 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

PILOTS on a Boeing 777 from Perth to Kuala Lumpur battled to gain control of the plane last month after an unknown computer error caused the aircraft to pitch violently and brought it close to stalling.

A flight attendant dropped a tray of drinks and another began praying as the Malaysian Airlines pilots fought to counter false information being fed into the aircraft's autopilot system and primary flight display.

The glitch prompted plane manufacturer Boeing to issue a global notice to all 777 operators alerting them to the problem.

Flight MH124 was about an hour out of Perth when the aircraft began behaving erratically. The incorrect data from a supposedly fail-safe device caused the plane to pitch up and climb 3000ft (914m), cutting its indicated airspeed from 500km/h to 292km/h and activating a stall warning and a "stickshaker".

A stickshaker vibrates the aircraft's controls to warn the pilot he is approaching a speed at which the plane will have insufficient lift to keep flying.

An Australian Transport Safety Bureau report released yesterday reveals the pilot in command disconnected the autopilot and lowered the plane's nose to prevent the stall but the aircraft's automatic throttle responded by increasing the power.

The pilot countered by pushing the thrust levers to the idle position but the aircraft pitched up again and climbed 2000ft.

He notified air traffic control that the plane, carrying 177 passengers, could not maintain altitude and requested a descent and radar assistance for a return to Perth.

As the plane descended through 20,000ft, the pilot reported the primary flight display appeared normal and separately tested the aircraft's two autopilot systems.

But he was forced to keep flying manually when the plane banked to the right and the nose pitched down during both tests.

The pilot reported no difficulties flying the plane but noted that the automatic throttles remained armed.

As the aircraft was positioned to approach Perth, however, the flight display again gave a low airspeed warning and the auto-throttle responded by increasing thrust.

The aircraft's warning system also indicated a dangerous windshear but the crew continued the approach and landed safely.

Shaken passengers remained in Perth overnight and were offered alternative flights the next day.

Investigations are focusing on faulty acceleration figures supplied by a device called the air data inertial reference unit.

The device, which was sent to manufacturer Honeywell and to US investigators for examination, collates aircraft navigation and performance data from other systems and passes the information to the primary flight computer.

Boeing spokesman Ken Morton said yesterday the incident had not occurred before or since. Operators have since been told to load a previous software version.

"There is a very simple test to do before you take off and that will tell you if your system has that problem or not," he said.

"To this point we haven't had any people coming back saying they've had faults."

Mr Morton said there were 525 777s in service and they had accumulated more than 10 million flight hours and 2million landings.

"All incidents are thoroughly investigated and appropriate steps are taken to ensure the continuing safety of the in-service fleet," he said.

"Nothing is more important than that."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2005; 777; boeing; inadequatebetatest; iran; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh370; waronterror
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-55 next last

1 posted on 09/16/2005 11:39:52 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep.

2 posted on 09/16/2005 11:40:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative; phantomworker

bump


3 posted on 09/16/2005 11:44:57 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative

Fly by wire = die by wire?


4 posted on 09/16/2005 11:54:54 PM PDT by ASOC (Insert clever tagline here: _______)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative

Malfunction? Not me.

5 posted on 09/16/2005 11:55:21 PM PDT by oyez
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative; glock rocks; Squantos; Allegra; Eaker

YARK!!!

I'll bet that was one hell of a ride.

You guys been letting Eaker fly again?


6 posted on 09/16/2005 11:57:41 PM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ASOC; patton

777's are not fly by wire, are they? I thought Boeing was against fly by wire.


7 posted on 09/16/2005 11:59:25 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: phantomworker
777's are not fly by wire, are they?

Yes they are.

8 posted on 09/17/2005 12:02:21 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/boe202.shtml

You're right. 777 is the only model with that technology.


9 posted on 09/17/2005 12:08:33 AM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: phantomworker


"Unlike Airbus, Boeing lets aviator override fly-by-wire technology"

Remember the Paris Air Show accident with an Airbus-- couldn't override the fly-by-wire? This is the old joke that came out of that:

Q: What's the difference between a chainsaw and an Airbus?
A: About 300 trees/minute


10 posted on 09/17/2005 12:14:35 AM PDT by zipper (Freedom Isn't Free)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative


Airframe by Michael Crichton
11 posted on 09/17/2005 12:18:57 AM PDT by bd476
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bd476

That was a great book. Somewhat down-to-earth after Jurassic Park. (pun intended.)


12 posted on 09/17/2005 12:30:38 AM PDT by Terpfen (http://www.pattonhq.com/unknowntext.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative
In spite of this incident, the Boeing 777 has one of the best safety records of any plane ever built.
I don't fault the design of the plane its self, but, rather, the software in one of it's systems were at fault.
Maybe there is a way for them to have the pilot cut off the auto pilot and the auto throttle in the future if there is ever a incident a pilot were to encounter like this.
13 posted on 09/17/2005 12:30:59 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ChefKeith

Just a solar flare er a rug rats iPod run amuck with the electrics I suspect.

Couldn't be a design flaw.....no way ......;o)


14 posted on 09/17/2005 12:33:50 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Terpfen
Terpfen wrote: "Somewhat down-to-earth after Jurassic Park. (pun intended.)"

LOL! It was pretty good reading. After finishing the book, I took a cross-country flight and surprisingly felt more safe than ever.

The flight in the story above though would be one I would not have enjoyed.

15 posted on 09/17/2005 12:38:19 AM PDT by bd476
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Squantos
Squantos wrote: "Just a solar flare er a rug rats iPod run amuck with the electrics I suspect.

Couldn't be a design flaw.....no way ......;o)"

I believe you. We've had some solar flares recently. Kids with iPods are dangerous. Yes. No way a design flaw. No way.




;-)

16 posted on 09/17/2005 12:45:45 AM PDT by bd476
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: phantomworker
They are fly by wire, but, in the PBS NOVA special ( 21 st century jet , the building of the 777 ) I saw of the 777, one of the technical engineers said that calling those system " FLY BY WIRE " is a misnomer and not accurate.

When you talk about " Fly by wire " it's really ( Actualization by wire ).
Were instead of having the metal cables that go the the control surfaces actuators that move the control surfaces either in the wing, ailerons, vertical or horizontal stabilizers, or the rudder, you have the electric current that moves through the wires to the actuators.

The actuators are controlled either by the pilot by manual operation or the computer to the control surfaces actuator ( I am sure they have some kind of redundancy in the systems ).

In Boeing's philosophy though, they went the conservative root and still left it up to the pilot in the end , the control and judgment up to the pilot.
17 posted on 09/17/2005 12:50:46 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Squantos

MS Windoze???

Captian on intercom: "everbody please recline your seatbacks fully and then return it to the upright position and let's see if this thing will reboot that way"


18 posted on 09/17/2005 12:54:41 AM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: phantomworker
"777's are not fly by wire, are they? I thought Boeing was against fly by wire."

I thought the 757, the 767, AND the 777 were all fly-by-wire. Meaning electrical servos run the hydraulic actuators of the flight control surfaces rather than cables from the pilot's controls.

I have ultimate quantities more trust in a well-trained pilot than some silly computer that can and does hiccup for no known reason.

19 posted on 09/17/2005 1:14:09 AM PDT by nightdriver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Squantos

They just flew over someone flying their RC airplane.


20 posted on 09/17/2005 2:25:26 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson