[Colonel Kangaroo]

Not only do I agree with the rebuttal in post 487, I must add that George Washington was free of the vision problem that affected many Confederates. Too many Southerners could see no farther than the slave shack and plantation mansion and realize that there was a big world out there full of malevolent powers who wanted nothing better than a big say in running North America.

With the educational backwardness of much of the South, the ordinary Southern farmer could be excused in thinking that fighting for Southern dismemberment of the Union was patriotism. But the "elite" should have known better to think such presumptuous thoughts such as the notion that Virginia was a "country" that could stand in the world doing what she pleased as an independent entity. Even if the US had lost will and allowed separation, a backward state like the CSA would not last long in the modern world.

[Gianni]

But the "elite" should have known better to think such presumptuous thoughts such as the notion that Virginia was a "country" that could stand in the world doing what she pleased as an independent entity.

Oddly, the framers of the Constitution saw this as the exact opposite; the Union could not stand as a 'country' or independent entity without New York and Virginia.

I'm curious, as someone who absolutely despised the Constitution and the notion of increased federal power; someone who would gladly have taken Virginia out of the Union at the time of Constitutional ratification, do you consider Patrick Henry a traitor as well?

[stand watie]

are you REALLY DUMB ENOUGH to believe that ignorant BILGE??

OR, are you just being a little TROLL?

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