Posted on 09/10/2005 4:46:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
Lincoln holiday on its way out
By Phil Kabler Staff writer
A bill to combine state holidays for Washington and Lincoln’s birthdays into a single Presidents’ Day holiday cleared its first legislative committee Wednesday, over objections from Senate Republicans who said it besmirches Abraham Lincoln’s role in helping establish West Virginia as a state.
Senate Government Organization Committee members rejected several attempts to retain Lincoln’s birthday as a state holiday.
State Sen. Russ Weeks, R-Raleigh, introduced an amendment to instead eliminate Columbus Day as a paid state holiday. “Columbus didn’t have anything to do with making West Virginia a state,” he said. “If we have to cut one, let’s cut Christopher Columbus.”
Jim Pitrolo, legislative director for Gov. Joe Manchin, said the proposed merger of the two holidays would bring West Virginia in line with federal holidays, and would effectively save $4.6 million a year — the cost of one day’s pay to state workers.
Government Organization Chairman Ed Bowman, D-Hancock, said the overall savings would be even greater, since by law, county and municipal governments must give their employees the same paid holidays as state government.
“To the taxpayers, the savings will be even larger,” he said.
The bill technically trades the February holiday for a new holiday on the Friday after Thanksgiving. For years, though, governors have given state employees that day off with pay by proclamation.
Sen. Sarah Minear, R-Tucker, who also objected to eliminating Lincoln’s birthday as a holiday, argued that it was misleading to suggest that eliminating the holiday will save the state money.
“It’s not going to save the state a dime,” said Minear, who said she isn’t giving up on retaining the Lincoln holiday.
Committee members also rejected an amendment by Sen. Steve Harrison, R-Kanawha, to recognize the Friday after Thanksgiving as “Lincoln Day.”
“I do believe President Lincoln has a special place in the history of West Virginia,” he said.
Sen. Randy White, D-Webster, said he believed that would create confusion.
“It’s confusing to me,” he said.
Senate Judiciary Chairman Jeff Kessler, D-Marshall, suggested that the state could recognize Lincoln’s proclamation creating West Virginia as part of the June 20 state holiday observance for the state’s birthday.
Proponents of the measure to eliminate a state holiday contend that the numerous paid holidays - as many as 14 in election years — contribute to inefficiencies in state government.
To contact staff writer Phil Kabler, use e-mail or call 348-1220.
And you're proof that "Iowa" is an acronym.
Standards below the Mason Dixon line must be lower than I thought.
That still leaves them head and shoulders above those north of the line.
I didn't cite the Virginia ratification as evidence - I cited the 10th Amendment. It's not not rocket science - it's ENGLISH. The powers NOT delegated to the federal government by the Constitution and NOT Prohibited by the Constitution to the states, REMAIN with the states. Unless you can cite a clause in the Constitution delegating the federal government the power to prohibit secession and/or wage war on a state to prevent such, or cite a clause in the Constitution prohibiting a state from seceding, each state retains the power to leave the union at will.
Ummm, NO. It's NOT 'We the said Delegates, in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, do by these presents assent to ...' Words have meaning:
His excellency, Governor RANDOLPH, reported, from the committee appointed, according to order, a form of ratification, which was read and agreed to by the Convention, in the words following: VIRGINIA, TO WIT:PERIOD."We the Delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any capacity, by the President or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: and that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified by any authority of the United States.
With these impressions, with a solemn appeal to the searcher of hearts for the purity of our intentions, and under the conviction, that, whatsoever imperfections may exist in the Constitution, ought rather to be examined in the mode prescribed therein, than to bring the Union into danger by a delay, with a hope of obtaining amendments previous to the ratification:
We the said Delegates, in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, do by these presents [see section in blue above] assent to, and ratify the Constitution recommended on the seventeenth day of September, one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven, by the Foederal Convention for the Government of the United States; hereby announcing to all those whom it may concern, that the said Constitution is binding upon the said People, according to an authentic copy hereto annexed, in the words following ... :
PITY you don't as you're the ONLY member of the DY coven who has both a functioning brain & an education.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
Not from what I've seen.
I'm still waiting for you to cite the clause that allows the states to resume powers granted to the government. You can't do that.
This thread has gotten stale. Please ping me for the next neo-Confederate hate-USA fest.
SECESSION is ONE of the NATURAL RIGHTS of FREE people to withdraw FREELY from any union which they entered FREELY.
the TENTH AMENDMENT states that POWERS NOT SPECIFICALLY CEDED to the central government remain with the STATES/PEOPLE.
the war of CONQUEST against the CSA by the imperialist DAMNyankees of the "lincoln administration" (most southrons would call it the "lincoln coven"or a "lincoln's den of thieves") in 1861-65 did NOT change that FACT.
free dixie,sw
Is that the very condition the administration keeps you at the 'Home For Little Confederate Wanderers'?
When you are away from the home is it a requirement to punch in & out, or simply inform the front desk-man on duty on departures and arrivals?
'The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite' [Madison, Federalist Paper No. 45, 'The Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered']
It's a concept enumerated in Amendment X - a part of the federal Constitution: 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.' It's right there - in black and white. Cited. The clause that allows states to resume delegated powers.
You never had it in the first place.
Nonsense. That is the clause which defines the separation of powers. It no more grants the states the right to take powers defined to the government than it allows the government to take powers reserved to the states.
this post is all too TYPICAL of the arrogantly IGNORANT, fact-FREE,hate-FILLED, "DUMB-bunny" posts of the members of the FR's DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, REVISIONISTS,south-HATERS & fools.
granted that "m.eSPINola" is one of the MORE hate-FILLED ones, but he is NOT the worst.
to Mr SPIN,
the more i learn about FOOLS like you, the better i like spiders & snakes. be gone to DU & sup with the other HATERS like #3fan, cvn76, whisky papa & a host of other LOSERS.
free dixie,sw
try reading the 10th Amendment & point out to everyone where ANY state ceded the RIGHT of SECESSION to the federal government.
NO state in the 18th or 19th centuries would have FREELY JOINED a "experimental" union (when the union was founded NOBODY, not even the peerless Thomas Jefferson, knew FOR SURE that the USA would succeed.)that they could not just as FREELY LEAVE, if that union failed to protect their interests.
the FREE men, who created this "experimental union" after the Revolution, would have regarded your position as RIDICULIOUS & DANGEROUS to LIBERTY!
free dixie,sw
Are you sure having spiders & snakes in the rooms at the home is not a violation of house rules? You had better check with the administrator, Col Sanders.
I don't believe it forbade Secession either. One thing to think about: The majority of states seceded with the overwhelming approval of it's population, through legislative means. What other form could be more legal or AMERICAN?
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