Posted on 09/10/2005 4:46:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
Lincoln holiday on its way out
By Phil Kabler Staff writer
A bill to combine state holidays for Washington and Lincoln’s birthdays into a single Presidents’ Day holiday cleared its first legislative committee Wednesday, over objections from Senate Republicans who said it besmirches Abraham Lincoln’s role in helping establish West Virginia as a state.
Senate Government Organization Committee members rejected several attempts to retain Lincoln’s birthday as a state holiday.
State Sen. Russ Weeks, R-Raleigh, introduced an amendment to instead eliminate Columbus Day as a paid state holiday. “Columbus didn’t have anything to do with making West Virginia a state,” he said. “If we have to cut one, let’s cut Christopher Columbus.”
Jim Pitrolo, legislative director for Gov. Joe Manchin, said the proposed merger of the two holidays would bring West Virginia in line with federal holidays, and would effectively save $4.6 million a year — the cost of one day’s pay to state workers.
Government Organization Chairman Ed Bowman, D-Hancock, said the overall savings would be even greater, since by law, county and municipal governments must give their employees the same paid holidays as state government.
“To the taxpayers, the savings will be even larger,” he said.
The bill technically trades the February holiday for a new holiday on the Friday after Thanksgiving. For years, though, governors have given state employees that day off with pay by proclamation.
Sen. Sarah Minear, R-Tucker, who also objected to eliminating Lincoln’s birthday as a holiday, argued that it was misleading to suggest that eliminating the holiday will save the state money.
“It’s not going to save the state a dime,” said Minear, who said she isn’t giving up on retaining the Lincoln holiday.
Committee members also rejected an amendment by Sen. Steve Harrison, R-Kanawha, to recognize the Friday after Thanksgiving as “Lincoln Day.”
“I do believe President Lincoln has a special place in the history of West Virginia,” he said.
Sen. Randy White, D-Webster, said he believed that would create confusion.
“It’s confusing to me,” he said.
Senate Judiciary Chairman Jeff Kessler, D-Marshall, suggested that the state could recognize Lincoln’s proclamation creating West Virginia as part of the June 20 state holiday observance for the state’s birthday.
Proponents of the measure to eliminate a state holiday contend that the numerous paid holidays - as many as 14 in election years — contribute to inefficiencies in state government.
To contact staff writer Phil Kabler, use e-mail or call 348-1220.
SECESSION is just ONE of the many RIGHTS which were NOT ceded to the central government!
FACT!
it would help if the DYs on these threads KNEW the FACTS. sadly, most of you DON'T have a clue.
free dixie,sw
Which constitution is that? This one, adopted in 1776? I don't see the clause that you are talking about, nor do I know of any documentation that it was largely written by Thomas Jefferson. You can't mean the second Virginia Constitution since that was written 4 years after Jefferson died. And since Jefferson was in Paris until after Virginia ratified the Constitution, your claim that he had a role in writing that doesn't hold water either.
Complete and utter nonsense.
FALSE!
Refuting the lies and lunacies of the neo-Confederates is a waste of time. They just ignore logic and make up things as they go along, whatever it takes to advance their hate-USA agenda.
C'mon Tex, stop throwing the junk stuff. Only a document signed by ALL the parties is binding upon them all. That would be the US Constitution, NOT the Virginia ratification document.
If you don't believe me ask any husband if he would abide by a prenuptial agreement that only his wife had signed...
Being 'terminally ignorant & stupid' are those incapable of accepting the Civil War ended in 1865. 'Neo-confederates' are not a 'race', even though their message is out of this world.
Read the first section of the Virginia Ratification Document:
WE the Delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, <<<declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any capacity, by the President or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: and that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified by any authority of the United States.<<<<<
Pretty clear to me that Virginia believed, and retained the right of secession!
Clause 1: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Clause 2: No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Now I suppose a state could secede without keeping armed forces, entering a compact with other states, make treaties, coin money, or make war, but in such a case, secession would be pointless.
But that's not what you said. You said it was the Virginia Consitution which reserved that right, something that was false. You said that Jefferson was the primary author of the Constitution, also false. You said that Jefferson was the primary author of the ratification document, false again. I'm aware that Virginia claimed that they could resume powers delegated to the United States. They were wrong. The Constitution does not allow for that.
Per my previous post, refuting the lies and lunacies of the neo-Confederates is a waste of time. They just ignore logic and make up things as they go along, whatever it takes to advance their hate-USA agenda.
which means that you KNOW that you are WRONG.
frewe dixie,sw
as usual, you PROVE yourself to be a FOOL & a MORON of the 1st rank.
be gone to DU & be with WP, cvn76,#3fan & a host of other south-HATING ex-freepers.
free dixie,sw
we are ALL lol AT you!
free dixie,sw
When you have no hope of winning an argument you simply make up evidenc (like the existence of a book called "Yachts Against Subs"), then accuse your opponents of hating Indians.
The point is that if a state SECEDES, then it is no longer a state, but a nation, and therefore, no longer bound by the Constitution. Therefore none of the prohibitions would apply.
In their acceptance it is stated clearly that they DO retain that right. If the US Government didn't agree to the terms, then why didn't they change the contract?
I wasn't making up a thing, if that is what you are implying. I am NOT a computer, and my memory is not always flawless. I seemed to recall that the facts were correct, but if I made a mistake, well...I am not perfect.
free dixie,sw
based solely on your posts, one would presume that you are either a TROLL and/or a DUNCE of the first rank.
head over to DU to post your south-HATING propaganda. take "m.eSPINola" & the rest of the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics with you.
free dixie,sw
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