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To: Pukin Dog

First and foremost, you tell me I'm immoral and you have the name Pukin' Dog? Right, so that tells me the intelligence that you possess just by your handle alone. So, please, allow me to deni. . . I mean, lower the vocabulary to your level.

First and foremost, there is a slight amount of trembling in Congress to investigate information that proves your boy lied to you and all other God fearing Christians of the United States of America. If that be the case, then G.W. Bush violated a basic tenament of his own faith. Furthermore, there is not just rumblings of an investigation into his handling of the Katrina situation, it will happen. That said, it might be bi-partisan or independant.

Secondly, as for us being whiners and beggars, I beg to disagree. Whereas that is something we have been portrayed as, it is very far from the truth. We simply realize that every person in the United States of America deserves these inalienable rights: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Also, there is an article in the Constitution that states: "The United States shall have the power to levy taxes, excises, duties or tariffs to promote the general defense and welfare of the nation." Now, to drive home the first part, I believe that the three main goals listed in the preamble are easily obtainable by free education, free medical care, an open government, and the ability to choose what path one's life will take. To drive Article 4, Section 8 home, I believe that illustrates that there is a definite illustration that our Founding Fathers believed that the people at the lowest levels deserved help so that they would never be on the lowest levels. By welfare, our founders meant food, shelter, clothing and life. If giving people money is following their will, then I guess we're the party that interprets the constitution strictly.

You state that only conservatives are helping people in New Orelans, I don't believe that, because Blanco declared an emergency in the state several days before the Hurricane hit. Nagin, a democrat, is calling out the people (the US government) that should have been prepared and should be sending people in. Remember our government is conservative.

Then, you go into your statements about wanting children to be safe, warm and fed when they go to bed. Well, I want to illustrate something. I have two kids and they are safe, warm and fed. The eldest is an honor student and an aspiring member of band, which she can join starting next year. My other child is a happy, loving trickster who runs every which way because she's 18 months old. We do this so someday they realize that everyone has a role, no matter race or creed. And, on a base human level, anyone would do the things you listed, because no matter how you look at it, it's the right thing to do.

By the way, most of the rest of the world has very liberal governments with strong social safety nets and the people, generally, are happy. In fact, Great Britian, last I checked the numbers, still had the highest suicide rate in Europe and that is the most conservative country there.

As for the part for us losing the election and the quiet masses in America, I say that as long as the quiet masses in America's vote is stolen, then you will continue to win elections and continue to pay higher gas prices, continue to lose inalienable rights listed in the Constitution and continue to have your children sent off to a war that means nothing but money for the rich. See, I used to think we were imperials, but we're not. The war in Iraq is helping one group of people: Halliburton. Of course, you elected Bush and his oil friends and they have to be paid back somehow.

But, see I think the quiet masses are paying attention. I think they are watching this and asking: "if this is how Bush responds to a natural disaster, how will he respond to the next terrorist attack?" And, you're right, they won't say a word and they won't do a thing except pull the lever and vote people out of power. You see, when Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of their ill begotten and money hungry ilk are gone, you have no mouthpiece, even they have been chastised for supporting the government this time, to misrepresent our quotes and to bully us behind our backs instead of approaching us to our face. By the way, everything I said here is what I would say to anyone. So, Pukin Dog, keep on pukin and be sure you aim the next beer can you throw at your kid a little to the left.

-Scott


168 posted on 09/06/2005 2:57:20 PM PDT by cssmall (cssmall on DU.)
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To: cssmall; Admin Moderator
Please dont delete this. Let me answer him.
170 posted on 09/06/2005 2:59:31 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: cssmall
G.W. Bush violated a basic tenament of his own faith

BWAHAHAHA!

I see the literacy level at DU is as high as ever.

175 posted on 09/06/2005 3:10:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: cssmall
You see, when Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of their ill begotten and money hungry ilk are gone, you have no mouthpiece, even they have been chastised for supporting the government this time, to misrepresent our quotes and to bully us behind our backs instead of approaching us to our face.

I'll give you a dollar if you can diagram that sentence, scooter.

182 posted on 09/06/2005 3:21:56 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg. Gosh I miss her!)
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To: cssmall

You've got a wonderful sense of humor for insulting anyone's intelligence. Your little screed is riddled with errors in spelling, punctuation, grammar and logic. You must have a publik skool ejumakashun.

But I'll keep my reply short so your mouth doesn't get too sore from all the reading.


187 posted on 09/06/2005 3:30:06 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg. Gosh I miss her!)
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To: cssmall
The moderators have granted you leeway, so I will add one more thing.

By the way, everything I said here is what I would say to anyone. So, Pukin Dog, keep on pukin and be sure you aim the next beer can you throw at your kid a little to the left.

One of the great things about you folks is that you keep making silly comments like the above, which display exactly what you are. Your post displays that you know little-to-nothing about me, but that didn't stop you, did it? And you cant help yourselves. You just cant because you are small, angry people. Do I get angry? I sure do. But I channel my anger into trying to fire up people on my side, so that they will continue to go out there and win against people on YOUR side.

I have to chuckle at the supposed 'tolerance' your side is always asking for, but when I read the things you people direct at me and folks like me, I have to wonder if that is just more noise.

But like I say, please don't stop being you, because it is exactly because you are who you are, that we will be winning elections against you for decades to come.

Don't ever change!

188 posted on 09/06/2005 3:31:10 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: cssmall
"Furthermore, there is not just rumblings of an investigation into his handling of the Katrina situation, it will happen."

Be careful what you wish for. While there may be a clamour right now from the usual blowhards, an honest investigation is probably not wanted. And, I doubt the MSM will be able to cover for any attempt at a Soviet-style show trial.

"To drive Article 4, Section 8 home, I believe that illustrates that there is a definite illustration that our Founding Fathers believed that the people at the lowest levels deserved help so that they would never be on the lowest levels."

Article 4, Section 8? Don't you mean Article I, Section 8? There is nothing in Article I, Section 8 that mentions 'giving help'. Unless you mean the 'general welfare' phrase, which is also contained in the preamble ( see next ).

"By welfare, our founders meant food, shelter, clothing and life. If giving people money is following their will, then I guess we're the party that interprets the constitution strictly."

Absolutely incorrect. What is intended in the clause " to promote the general welfare " is that a fair system of justice would enable people to pursue their own paths ( within reason ), thereby enriching society, in general. There is nothing that says, 'Congress shall provide money, clothing, or an equality of outcome ' in the Consittution. But there are discussions from the time about 'general welfare':

"The preservation of internal peace--the due administration of justice--and to provide for the defence of the community, seems to include all the objects of government; but if they do not, they are certainly comprehended in the words, "to provide for the general welfare." "

But don't take it from me. This is taken from Brutus No.12, a document written 'way back', by one of those dead white males, discussing the preamble to the Constitution. The site is here: Brutus No.12

"Now, to drive home the first part, I believe that the three main goals listed in the preamble are easily obtainable by free education, free medical care, an open government, and the ability to choose what path one's life will take."

You get one item correct here ( choosing one's own path ). And it is totally at odds with the other items you mention. But lets talk about the Preamble:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Justice is pretty straight forward. It wasn't seen much under England of the time--generally subject to the whims of kings. What does 'domestic tranquility' refer to? It's pretty straight forward as well. Horrified by Shay's Rebellion, this refers to giving the ability to the Federal Government to quash rebellion and smooth out clashes between States ( seen under the Confederation ). Common defence is pretty straight forward. And I've already touched upon 'welfare', the meaning of the word not at all meant as it is used today.
No offense, but you can believe something all you want, but the words and their meanings are plain if you do some research. There is nothing in the Preamble that states what you wish, with the exception of 'general welfare', and that has to do with the only portion of your excerpted statement that I point out as correct.
And trust me, there are better versed people than I on Consitutional matters on this forum. So if you're looking to scrap about it, be forewarned.

The anecdotal portions of your post after this I will ignore. Also, you might do some more research about European countries and their 'safety nets'. As far as stolen elections--you might want to start looking into who committed the lion's share of vote fraud in the last election. While the media has ignored it, the information is there if you truly want to look.

201 posted on 09/06/2005 3:45:13 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: cssmall
Life,

Would that include the unborn?

232 posted on 09/06/2005 4:32:23 PM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: cssmall
If giving people money is following their will, then I guess we're the party that interprets the constitution strictly.

Honestly now, cesspool, er I mean,cssmall, what if we all decided to take advantage of the free living we are owed? Now who is left to pay for it? Just a hypothetical question but lets just assume its left up to the few working liberals to take care of all the American people and the rest of the world. Just how far would your Starbucks paycheck go? You people better thank the God you hate for the working class. Its your bread and butter. Looks like you'd be nicer to your meal ticket.

239 posted on 09/06/2005 4:42:35 PM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: cssmall
because Blanco declared an emergency in the state several days before the Hurricane hit. Nagin, a democrat, is calling out the people (the US government) that should have been prepared and should be sending people in

Lies. That was President Bush who called the state of emergency and begged Blanko to let the feds evacuate. And Mayor Noggin? Hahahahahaha! Hes to busy pissing his pants after Bush took him to the woodshed!

242 posted on 09/06/2005 4:46:34 PM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: cssmall
to have your children sent off to a war

Oh cesspool cesspool cesspool! When are you going to understand. They are not children. hey are brave men and women with minds of their own who have chosen to defend their country and love their Commander in Chief, And as for the "stolen" election, see thats why people won't vote for you guys anymore. You think if a Republican wins it must be stolen thereby calling every Bush voter stupid. Ain't gonna wash.

243 posted on 09/06/2005 4:53:34 PM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: cssmall; Pukin Dog

"First and foremost, you tell me I'm immoral and you have the name Pukin' Dog? "

The handle of Pukin Dog refers to a fighter wing insignia...
Shows how much you know cssmall.


249 posted on 09/06/2005 5:08:35 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: cssmall

", I say that as long as the quiet masses in America's vote is stolen, then you will continue to win elections"

Het Scott...just who is it that is 'STEALING' elections?
What party allows the dead to vote? What party has tried to suppress overseas military votes? What party has voters that cast ballots in both in Fl. and NY? What party stole the Washington State Gov. election for 2004? What party tried to recount the vote over and over again in Fl. in 2000 in an attempt to steal the Pres. election? Amazing though, lots of our votes get stolen but we still win. Explain that!


255 posted on 09/06/2005 5:14:57 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: cssmall
By welfare, our founders meant food, shelter, clothing and life. If giving people money is following their will, then I guess we're the party that interprets the constitution strictly.

WRONG!! You confuse the meaning of the Constitutional clause "to promote the general welfare" with the twisted, liberal idea of "promoting welfare generally", yet another twenty-penny in your political coffin.

You attempt to make hay with the tired accusation that liberals aren't winning because "the quiet masses in America's vote is stolen", but I find, in reality, that the only "quiet masses" in America who have had their votes "stolen" also have current addresses that correspond to cemetaries. Furthermore, oddly, these "quiet masses" who have had their votes "stolen" seem to have voted almost 100% Democrat.

But, let me be gracious and grant that you do, indeed, have genuine concern for the sanctity of the polls and the votes of the people. I invite you, then, to access the definitive report on voter fraud in the '04 Presidential Election from this page. Get either the HTML Version or the PDF Version. I should, however, prepare you in advance; you will not like what this report finds, and you will be sorely tempted to disregard it because the findings are not what you want to read. I further invite you to review this VERY LENGTHLY record of hundreds of news reports and observations of the onerous Florida Recount. Since so much of the current liberal malaise emanates from that event, any competent therapist must conclude that there can be no healing until the actual outcome of that event is completely exposed, acknowledged, accepted, grieved and assimilated. Well, the outcome stands fully exposed for all who have eyes to see so, go, read, and let your healing begin.

Finally, I grant that you were successful in lowering the vocabulary, though third grade is many years BELOW Pukin' Dog's level. For your enlightenment, Christianity, the professed faith of President George W. Bush, does not have "tenaments" nor, in fact, is there any such word as tenament. While one may find "tenement" houses in places such as Haarlem, NY, if the idea in mind concerns beliefs or doctrines then I suggest that "tenets" would be more aprorpos. I'd refrain from picking at nits save for your grandiose assertion that you were under duress at having to "lower the vocabulary"; a claim which your own faux pas now renders dubious.

274 posted on 09/06/2005 5:47:30 PM PDT by HKMk23 (SAVE THE EARTH! STOP THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS!)
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To: cssmall

More braying by a Dimocrat jacka$$.
Haven't you figured out by now that most of us, that supported President Bush in the past 2 elections, have heard enough of the Dim drivel for the past 5 years and don't want to hear it anymore?
Liberals are sick people.


302 posted on 09/06/2005 8:50:30 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: cssmall
cssmall wrote:
"By the way, most of the rest of the world has very liberal governments with strong social safety nets and the people, generally, are happy"

REPLY:
Just one little thing to pick with you. Yes European governments are very liberal (socialists/communists) and have very big safety nets.

They also don't have a standing army big enough to save their butts in case some small country like Iran doesn't like their liberalism.

These free love countries are also on the Muslims immediate endangered list.

In a few more years the Muslims will be installing their own brand of safety nets and then what kind of pickle will these liberal pacifists cowards find thyself in.

Just, as in the last hundred years, Europe will once again be calling on those terrible old conservative Americans to come save their sorry butts.

Only problem will be, is if liberals do get back in power, there will be no strong America to help save the world.
313 posted on 09/07/2005 12:52:05 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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