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Katrina Live Threads, Part XV
Various ^ | 4 September 2005 | Various

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:14:35 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: comitatus

This is an absolute MUST READ by freepers interested in the issues surrounding hurricane Katrina preparedness by city, state and federal officiails.

Kudos to the writer; it's simply fantastic!


781 posted on 09/05/2005 5:52:57 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: CedarDave

CedarDave - I know that in the morning and often during parts of the day, I just jump to the end of the thread.

I would have missed the post you linked and I cannot thank you enough for calling it to our attention.

It is very lengthy and I've just finished reading it. To my knowledge, it is the most thorough examination submitted regarding the events surrounding this hurricane.

Is there a way we can encourage someone to post it to its own thread?

This does indeed need to be shared with e-mail lists, Rush, etc.


782 posted on 09/05/2005 5:54:49 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: prairiebreeze; Mo1

This is a long read but worthy of a bump and should be sent to our e-mail lists and Rush, etc.

It's one of the most comprehensive posts regarding this hurricane.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477440/posts?page=652#652


783 posted on 09/05/2005 5:56:16 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: comitatus

bttt


784 posted on 09/05/2005 5:59:03 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: bwteim

Hurricane Charley came through Aug 13 last year. I have "U loot U die" and shotgun toting photos d/l Aug 14. There is also one with a pail that says "Sightseers $10".


785 posted on 09/05/2005 6:04:20 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: lugsoul
It [the DHS National Response Plan] is on the DHS web site. All of your questions are plainly addressed. Their are circumstances in which the Feds can take a 'proactive' approach to responding i.e. doing it on their own. Based on the criteria in the document, there can hardly be any doubt that this qualifies. And the document specifically includes natural disasters within its scope.

For others following the discussion within a thread, here is a link to the DHS National Response Plan ...

http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf

You are persistly refusing to particularly cite support for your position, and various other summaries are contrary to your position. Therefore, I believe the assertion that FEMA has the right to become or to control first responder, absent expressed state request, is incorrect.

For the benefit of other readers, page 357 of the PDF starts an annex that is referred to as "Catastophic Incident Annex". Page 360 starts a summary of the concept of operations. The summary is full of "terms of art," words that do not have their natural meaning, or that have indefinite meaning (e.g., "federal assistance" is indefinite). Nowehre do I see a phrase that indicates the Feds can countermand a state "order" during the cooperation phase.

You can spin the lingo in the plan all you want. I think your conclusion is incorrect.

January 06, 2005 Contact: Elissa Davidson
(202) 224-4751
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
SENATOR COLLINS' STATEMENT ON DHS NATIONAL RESPONSE PLAN

Washington, DC - Senator Susan Collins today said she was encouraged that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has completed a National Response Plan to establish a unified and standardized approach across the country for protecting citizens and managing homeland security incidents. The plan sets forth how the federal government agencies would coordinate with state, local, and tribal governments and the private sector during threats or acts of terrorism, major natural disasters, or man-made emergencies.

"The National Response Plan integrates disparate law enforcement and homeland security departments into one team. It helps to coordinate local police, fire, and rescue units with state and federal emergency management agencies, to ensure that all responders are working together in the case of a disaster or terrorist attack," said Senator Collins.

"This plan lays the groundwork for first responders and state and federal homeland security teams to operate off a common script in planning for and reacting to emergencies. As the Chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, I will examine the implementation of the plan to ensure its success and continued improvement to counter threats."

The National Response Plan establishes standardized training, organization, and communications procedures through a National Incident Management System, and clearly identifies authority and leadership responsibilities among federal, state, and local agencies. Under the plan, first responders maintain responsibility for incident management at the local level. For those events that rise to the level of an Incident of National Significance, the Department of Homeland Security would provide operational and/or resource coordination to provide federal support to on-scene incident command structures.

The National Response Plan was developed by teams of experts from federal departments and agencies, state, local, and tribal officials, incident response and private sector committees from around the nation.

"Secretary Tom Ridge has shown great leadership in preparing the country react quicker and more efficiently in national emergencies," said Senator Collins. "The completion this project was a top priority for Secretary Ridge. He should be commended both for finishing such a massive effort before leaving public service, as well as, for his commitment to involve all stakeholders in this process."

For more information about the National Response Plan, first responders and incident management authorities may call 1-800-368-6498. Interested citizens may view and download a PDF copy of the National Response Plan online at http://www.dhs.gov/nationalresponseplan. Information on FEMA National Response Plan training courses is available through links at the above website.

Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs


786 posted on 09/05/2005 6:05:10 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: comitatus

Great work! Again, thank you.


787 posted on 09/05/2005 6:07:50 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: NautiNurse

Good message.



WWL

Updates as they come in on Katrina
07:39 AM CDT on Monday, September 5, 2005

Tom Planchet

7:35 A.M. - BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) -- The Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon raised more than $3 million by late Sunday night in a unique edition of the annual event that benefits both the Muscular Dystrophy Association and victims of Hurricane Katrina. Viewers pledged more than $3 million by 10:30 p.m., according to Bob Mackle, a telethon spokesman. The total amount of donations to aid hurricane victims was not immediately available, he said. The telethon, which started at 6 p.m. Sunday, ends Monday afternoon.

7:20 A.M. - Senator Frist volunteers as doctor, criticizes administration's response.

7:14 A.M. - (AP) Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., lashed back, saying she won't tolerate federal officials' denigrating local efforts to deal with the catastrophe.

"If one person criticizes them or says one more thing, including the president of the United States, he will hear from me," she said on the ABC's "This Week." "One more word about it after this show airs and I might likely have to punch him. Literally."

7:08 A.M. - New Orleans Times-Picayune editorial: "Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially."

7:07 A.M. - WWL-TV: Residents of Jefferson Parish are being allowed back in without having to show identification, as previously planned. A long line of cars is streaming in at a good pace.

7:05 A.M. - Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff on the coming death toll: "We need to prepare the country for what's coming... It is going to be about as ugly of a scene as I think you can imagine."

7:00 A.M. - (AP) -- A week after Hurricane Katrina, dozens of military and U.S. Coast Guard helicopters filled the air over New Orleans. But it's getting harder to find people who needed rescuing. One Navy helicopter crew flew in from Pensacola Naval Air Station, only to spend most of their 13-hour shift fruitlessly searching flooded neighborhoods.

6:55 A.M. - (AP) Miles-long lines of vehicles crawl into Jefferson Parish today. The traffic began moving into the parish about 6 a.m. and officials plan to allow traffic in for 12 hours, though they encouraged residents to inspect their property, pick up personal items and leave.

The parish, which has about 500,000 residents, has been closed since a mandatory evacuation just before Hurricane Katrina hit a week ago. Wide portions of Metairie and Kenner suffered heavy flooding and authorities say thousands of homes were damaged.

6:45 A.M. - Robin Cooper, CLECO spokesperson: 7,000 homes in St. Tammany have power restored, but 73,000 remain without. Power restored to hospitals.


788 posted on 09/05/2005 6:08:49 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: EBH
"- Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of catastrophic magnitude."

See my #730.

789 posted on 09/05/2005 6:09:28 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Peach; All

"Is there a way we can encourage someone to post it to its own thread?

This does indeed need to be shared with e-mail lists, Rush, etc."




You wish is my command!

SPEAKING TRUTH TO HYSTERIA
FR ^ | September 4, 2005 | Greg Richey
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477689/posts


790 posted on 09/05/2005 6:11:32 AM PDT by backhoe ("The Drowned World" John Brunner)
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To: Peach
I, too, don't often take the time to go back and read all the posts, especially very lengthy posts. I saw a reference to it and it piqued my interest and went searching. I was amazed by what I found and decided to shout it from the roof tops.
791 posted on 09/05/2005 6:14:18 AM PDT by CedarDave (MLKing, Jr: "I have a dream!", Howard Dean: "I have a scream!", Jesse Jackson: "I have a scheme!")
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To: backhoe

lol - I pinged comitatus to the new thread...


792 posted on 09/05/2005 6:15:03 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: Cboldt
I am not 'persistently refusing' anything. Start reading the part about proactive Federal action on page 43, just as I posted above.

BTW, this disaster WAS declared an 'Incident of National Significance.'

793 posted on 09/05/2005 6:15:43 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: NautiNurse
There is also one with a pail that says "Sightseers $10".

That's funny.

We were in Orlando for my 40th birthday that week. We got all the gawking we needed at Disney's Animal Kingdom. It was pretty hard hit.

The pictures on the local news were horrible, but it was great to see how orderly things went.

The run on gas was an eye opener, too. It was quite scary - we thought we were going to get stuck down there.

794 posted on 09/05/2005 6:17:02 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Nashville, TN)
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To: NautiNurse
lol - I pinged comitatus to the new thread...

Thank you, and let me state again in the public forum what I mentioned via email-- I greatly appreciate the effort and care you have dedicated to all these many Katrina posts.

795 posted on 09/05/2005 6:17:17 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: CedarDave

Well, it's fantastic and someone should post it to its own thread. And I thank you again, Dave.

I've saved it to my hurricane file.


796 posted on 09/05/2005 6:17:30 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: backhoe

Thank you!!!

I'll resave it to my file under the new thread instead. You're terrific.


797 posted on 09/05/2005 6:19:50 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach

Appreciate that, Peach- thank you.


798 posted on 09/05/2005 6:20:36 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: All

O my! I just saw Sean Penn interviewed on CNN. All he can talk about is that this needs to be an effort of "small boats", not helicopters. It's not fast enough for him.


799 posted on 09/05/2005 6:21:46 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance most, have the least for my views.)
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To: GOP_Proud

Yes, but boats with drain plugs installed prior to departure.


800 posted on 09/05/2005 6:23:57 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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