Katrina Live Threads, Part XV

Various ^ | 4 September 2005 | Various

[Jim Noble]

what was required in this crisis (as in any crisis) was for someone to rise WAY above their limitations and perform heroically

Instead, as soon as the magnitude of the crisis became clear, we sent - a lawyer.

Oops.

[Vermonter]

Is it available in html, or can it be copied and converted to html?

Afraid I can't help you with that. I only found it after looking at the hard copy in Sunday's paper. The hardcopy has the daily activities shown on the same page as the map. The interactive was all I saw on the web page

[Uncle Ike]

Thanks for checking in, and welcome to FR."

Thank you for the welcome.

After 4 or 5 days of being immersed in this and other threads, I forget that I'm still a Newbie. :)

[easonc52]

If they don't have this knowledge, the won't be able to delegate authority appropriately! They won't know who is supposed to be doing what. And that IMHO is where the breakdown occurred in NO.

I think that's why I believe the wrong people were in office.

I tend to agree with this article posted earlier by dixiechick2 (from Men's News Daily):

Hurricane Katrina: Don’t Blame Bush for Local Corruption and Democrat Incompetence

[XEHRpa]

So when we notice that NO actually [had] no plan for people without resources we're now called Communists? LOL.

No, Peach, please don't take my comment the wrong way. I am merely saying that poor planning on the part of local NOLA government and poor geography of the city is no reason to penalize the residents of the NOLA suburbs, who are less hard hit.

[Patriot from Philly]

LOL! Maybe he should bring pictures next time.

[bwteim]

'morning, all.

First, an early morning report.... deserves its own post. Don't know if anyone posted this yet.

Bold type face added. RKBA Bump.

= = = = NOLA - WWL Updates as they come in on Katrina

4:15 A.M. - (AP) -- When night falls, Charlie Hackett climbs the steps to his boarded-up window, takes down the plywood, grabs his 12 gauge shotgun and waits.

He is waiting for looters and troublemakers, for anyone thinking his neighborhood has been abandoned like so many others across the city. Two doors down, John Carolan is doing the same on his screened-in porch, pistol by his side. They are not about to give up their homes to the lawlessness that has engulfed New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

" We kind of together decided we would defend what we have here and we would stay up and defend the neighborhood," says Hackett, an Army veteran with a snow-white beard and a business installing custom kitchens.

[NautiNurse]

Good morning - and best wishes for an enjoyable Labor Day to all.

[Peach]

Agreed.

[LadyPilgrim]

Good Morning to you too!

Hope you had a good nights rest! ;-)

God bless you!

[NautiNurse]

The stories of neighbors defending their property are becoming more prominent. Last year, following hurricane Charley, those stories and photos were circulating within 24 hours.

[jhny7]

account on Drudge says five killed were contractors working on levy.any news what started this gun battle?

[EBH]

That probably couldn't have hurt, but what was required in this crisis (as in any crisis) was for someone to rise WAY above their limitations and perform heroically.

Actually, we needed some people to just do what the heck they were supposed to do and that did not happen. There was no way we could have gotten all those people out of NO based upon the weakend time table of when the evac. was called, but it sure could have been minimized a lot more.

Reading the city and state plans has been very disturbing as they cover much of the pre-hurricane actions that needed to be taken and little to none of them occurred in the case of NO. Time after time, interview after interview it became abundantly clear that the First Responders on the ground had no idea what to do. I am tired of listening to people tell me this was a catostrophic event and no one would know what to do, and then turning to the Feds. and blaming them! Mayor G of New York on 9/11/01 had a major unplanned event of catastrophic proportions and by following the basic Incident Command Structure established in the city's ERP, he was able to guide New York through one of the darkest times. The ICS gives all responders at all levels a basic foundation to work from, it is evident in all that we're seeing that did not happen in NO. My question then becomes, WHY, as it is what we are all asking. If they don't know the plan and how to implement the plan, then you get Chaos. The breakdown of the entire city, police and fireman quitting is very telling. Either they were not being told what to do (as some claim) or they were not being allowed to do what they were trained to do (as some claim) or both. In any event we had/have American people dieing in the streets.

[NautiNurse]

the Plan is to allow nobody in without ID and proof of address, I hear.

That is the standard Hurricane Evacuation rule. If you leave, you must have proof of residence to return in the event of damage/destruction. It keeps out the gawking lookie loos.

[Uncle Ike]

"Actually, we needed some people to just do what the heck they were supposed to do"

I agree completely, and I don't think we're mutually exclusive, here -- sometimes "heroic" consists in nothing more (or less) than staying at your post and doing what needs to be done when everything is falling apart around you.

A parenthetic point that came to me after my original post is that it sure seems that politicians and bureaucrats, as a class, seem to have this ability (character?) bred out of them.

[CedarDave]

As Freepers wake up and check this thread for updates, not all go back and read the several hundred overnight posts. However, you all need to go back and read this admittedly lengthy post that reviews, dissects and lays out in plain English the history and steps taken by the various parties leading up to and responding to the Katrina disaster. Read it, bookmark it, print it out, have it ready to use in discussion when you talk to your liberal friends, and write your letters or emails to your newspaper and TV stations. Copy it and send it to Rush, Sean, Mark, Tony, Laura, etc.; in other words circulate it as widely as you can.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477440/posts?page=652#652

[NautiNurse]

The initial AP story was incorrect about contractors being killed. Drudge has an accurate story linked on his website.

[SE Mom]

If that's the account running on Drudge he's way behind - there were contractors on their way to work on the levy...THEY were shot at and then police moved in and took out several bad guys.

I also note that Drudge still had Bush "considering" nominating Roberts for Cheif Justice.

[jhny7]

thanks

[bwteim]

Yes, indeed.