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Katrina Live Threads, Part XV
Various ^ | 4 September 2005 | Various

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:14:35 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: Howlin
Just for fun -- and since Tim Russert had a damn fit today

REPLY:

Usually Russert is a little, but not much more informed, about when he excortiates the administration.

His decidedly biased guests threw a lot of biased barbs at Bush, Iraq war and FEMA.

Especially questions about not evacuating the poor by buses, trains and air planes.

Everyone failed to mention that hundreds of city buses are as this is written, still sitting in their New Orleans parking lot under flood water.

Buses that should have been used to transport people out of the city.

One guy broke down and cried and that is understandable.

Everyone is under tremendous stress.

However, the city official whose mother drowned could have and should have been evacuated when Bush first declared New Orleans a disaster area two days before the hurricane hit land.

This city official who left his mother in harms way bears full responsibility for her death.

He also should be horse whipped for not having the common sense to take responsible action for the citizens he represents.

How the hell can trusting citizens depend on city officials who do not even have the commons sense to obey orders asking them to leave a dangerous area.

Responsibility is something that many lame brained Democrat politicians are running away from these days in Louisiana and else where.

Governor Blanco could have asked sooner for federal help but instead she was playing a payback game with New Orleans Mayor Nagin.

The problem is that Blanco, in playing her pay back game with the mayor, sat on her butt until it was almost to late to do anything.

I believe that Blanco is in way over her head and is looking for any way out.

Why else would she go out and hire former FEMA director James Lee Witt to help in deflecting the proverbial shit that is hitting the political fan.

What Russert and others need to remember is that the Internet trumps the bias of all network politics.

People are not even in their graves and the sorry blame game has started.

Already, liberals are chomping at the bit to impeach Bush for some imagined dereliction of duty.

I keep saying that maybe Bush should have gone down to New Orleans and possibly driven the bus to haul out the worthless politicians.
661 posted on 09/04/2005 11:34:24 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: TexKat
We're finally getting back on our feet. Still have a little fuel problem but that seems to be getting better

OK,OK, Howlin you were right. There I said it.

TK, I'm sure your son is fine. I will include an extra prayer for him tonight. I'm getting ready to hit the sack. I will get back to you by p-mail tomorrow. I've had to keep my freeping to a minimum this week so I want to catch up on old times.

TAW

662 posted on 09/04/2005 11:34:58 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: gpapa

I have been told by others (who understand this better than I) that all she requested was money, not really physical help with evacuation.


663 posted on 09/04/2005 11:35:03 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: buickmackane

Hi, North Jersey! I agree.

(I'm from South Jersey.)


664 posted on 09/04/2005 11:35:23 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: PAR35; All

After a week of this, I just thought I'd post this; I think its apropos, just read "Liberal" for "Sons of Mary" and "Conservative" for  "Sons of Martha".

The Sons Of Martha - Rudyard Kipling

The Sons of Mary seldom bother, for they have inherited that good part;
But the Sons of Martha favour their Mother of the careful soul and the troubled heart.
And because she lost her temper once, and because she was rude to the Lord her Guest,
Her Sons must wait upon Mary's Sons, world without end, reprieve, or rest.

It is their care in all the ages to take the buffet and cushion the shock.
It is their care that the gear engages; it is their care that the switches lock.
It is their care that the wheels run truly; it is their care to embark and entrain,
Tally, transport, and deliver duly the Sons of Mary by land and main.

They say to mountains ``Be ye removèd.'' They say to the lesser floods ``Be dry.''
Under their rods are the rocks reprovèd---they are not afraid of that which is high.
Then do the hill-tops shake to the summit---then is the bed of the deep laid bare,
That the Sons of Mary may overcome it, pleasantly sleeping and unaware.

They finger Death at their gloves' end where they piece and repiece the living wires.
He rears against the gates they tend: they feed him hungry behind their fires.
Early at dawn, ere men see clear, they stumble into his terrible stall,
And hale him forth like a haltered steer, and goad and turn him till evenfall.

To these from birth is Belief forbidden; from these till death is Relief afar.
They are concerned with matters hidden---under the earthline their altars are---
The secret fountains to follow up, waters withdrawn to restore to the mouth,
And gather the floods as in a cup, and pour them again at a city's drouth.

They do not preach that their God will rouse them a little before the nuts work loose.
They do not preach that His Pity allows them to drop their job when they damn-well choose.
As in the thronged and the lighted ways, so in the dark and the desert they stand,
Wary and watchful all their days that their brethren's ways may be long in the land.

Raise ye the stone or cleave the wood to make a path more fair or flat;
Lo, it is black already with the blood some Son of Martha spilled for that!
Not as a ladder from earth to Heaven, not as a witness to any creed,
But simple service simply given to his own kind in their common need.

And the Sons of Mary smile and are blessèd---they know the Angels are on their side.
They know in them is the Grace confessèd, and for them are the Mercies multiplied.
They sit at the feet---they hear the Word---they see how truly the Promise runs.
They have cast their burden upon the Lord, and---the Lord He lays it on Martha's Sons!

I think George Bush is a "Son of Martha" without question, don't you?

665 posted on 09/04/2005 11:37:41 PM PDT by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: Republic

"There is a thread running right now that states that most of the federal moneys allocated for levee security were redirected by the corrupt mayor and city council and used to build CASINOS!!!!"

Do you think? I understand that LA does not have casinos. They're in Mississippi.


666 posted on 09/04/2005 11:37:45 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Cboldt

Thank you Cboldt.


667 posted on 09/04/2005 11:37:51 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: dfwgator
Too late!
668 posted on 09/04/2005 11:38:12 PM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: TexKat; Cedar
Sure but what I do not get is when some say that FEMA is a or controlled by the state when FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.

I thought of an analogy. You are the homeowner, and you want to do some remodeling. You go to the bank to get some money. In between there is a contractor who will do the work. Do you let the bank tell you how to use the money? The contractor? Or do you want control of the remodeling?

You, the homeowner, are the state of Louisiana. FEMA is the remodeler (a bit, and the bank, a bit), and Uncle Sam is clearly the bank.

FEMA brings the combination of expertise and resources that the state asks for.

Okay, it's not a real good analogy - but maybe it hels see the difference between transferring money and transferring control.

669 posted on 09/04/2005 11:38:18 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

So the State was actually right to want to control the remodeling??


670 posted on 09/04/2005 11:41:10 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: toldyou
The last time I was in New Orleans there was this large place at the intersection of Canal and Decatur.

It had HARRAH'S written on the side of it. My wife and I went in and there were all these people sitting in front of these funny looking machines putting money in them.

What the hell were those people doing? Paying money to see pictures of fruit.

I tell you, Jed, it made Bugtussle on a Saturday night look like Sibley on Sunday morning.

TAW

671 posted on 09/04/2005 11:44:52 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: comitatus
Wooooaah (Stormy Harrigan)...your post is very long--it will be awhile before these tired eyes can focus on the whole tome. Have you considered posting interval opinion clusters?

Meanwhile, your time and effort is appreciated - you spent good and valuable time pulling this together. Thank you!

672 posted on 09/04/2005 11:46:50 PM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: Cedar; Cboldt
Top federal officials left out of loop (Well wha-da-ya know)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477595/posts

673 posted on 09/04/2005 11:49:00 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: toldyou

Not only are there casinos in Louisiana, but Paragon Casino Resort in Marksville has a wonderful golf course called Tamahka Trails. It was the first thing I thought of when I read your earlier post, LOL!


674 posted on 09/04/2005 11:50:30 PM PDT by buickmackane (reporting from Pineville, Rapides Parish, LA)
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To: toldyou

They are on the Mississippi River in New Orleans.


675 posted on 09/04/2005 11:53:42 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Cedar
So the State was actually right to want to control the remodeling?

They have the right. It's their state. But they have to live with the choices they make. What Bush offered to Blanco was that if she gave up the right to direct the recovery efort, the feds would (direct the recovery effort). She turned that down.

Right now, the state of Louisiana is in control of the orders given to NG and other police entites. It is nominally in charge of search and rescue, but as a practical matter active military has complete control of that.

676 posted on 09/04/2005 11:54:58 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: OKIEDOC

Correction: They *were* on the Mississippi River. Now they're mostly either IN the river or out of it and run aground.


677 posted on 09/04/2005 11:55:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
No, Harrah's is a land based casino sitting directly across the street from the Windsor Court Hotel.

Shreveport has riverboat gambling on the Red River.

TAW

678 posted on 09/04/2005 11:58:19 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Sonar5
Why Didn't Louisiana Follow it's Required Emergency Plan?

Too busy crying and trying to figure out how to blame the president.
679 posted on 09/04/2005 11:58:44 PM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: TexKat; Cedar
Top federal officials left out of loop (Well wha-da-ya know)

In the loop or not, it's the locals that have the duty to assess the situation and ask for the help they need. The state kept saying they had it under control.

Although, I do wish the early press conferences had been confromntational between the feds and Blanco, instead of congratulatory. The tone changed INSTANTLY at 10 AM Saturday, when Bush said the results in NOLA were unacceptable.

680 posted on 09/04/2005 11:58:55 PM PDT by Cboldt
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