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New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes
AP ^ | 9/1/05

Posted on 09/01/2005 5:57:30 PM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon

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To: TigersEye

But you already did whine about how you are being treated.

Your response to my suggestion that you knock it off:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475220/posts?page=177#177

Whining, again, about how you are being treated:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475220/posts?page=186#186

Whining about how you are being treated:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475220/posts?page=190#190

You wouldn't know what being shot at is.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475220/posts?page=229#229


I suggest, then, that you just walk away.


241 posted on 09/01/2005 7:59:18 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Jorge

>>> What Govt have we toppled in a matter of days with NO planning?>>>

So what you are saying is that all the money spent on Homeland Security is a big fat waste unless the Muslim Terrorist give a few days warning of an attack?


242 posted on 09/01/2005 8:00:00 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Gumption

The gov't squanders billions and billions and billions. If even a fraction of that money were used productively, perhaps the level of these types of calamities would be lessend. Its not an all or nothing thing, but tell me, what has billions and billions on homeland security done for us?


243 posted on 09/01/2005 8:00:29 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1
no warning of this. However, there should at least be some sort of planning for events like this, especially since 9/11. Although its all 20/20, it seems to me that there is no coordinated effort in this evacuation....

my friend you haven't the slightest clue.... what you are witnessing is a lazy, stupid, corrupt patronage system of government being exposed for the incompetents they are. Katrina just lifted the rock and let all the roaches scurry away.

All cities and counties in the flood zones are mandated to have disaster plans with nice little power point presentations, they get to go to these neat conferences (in nice places at tax payers expense) and "have meetings" with charts of "responsibility".. uh..Joe, "you got communications"...Uh... Alice "you'll look into medical personnel"... In other words there are operational charts. It starts at the city, county level...then to district then state, finally regional then federal level....

By LAW things need to be done in order so that resources are not squandered and panic doesn't allocate scarce resources.

Well guess what.... "character" matters. A leader rolls up his sleeves, follows through on his responsibility and is proactive in a crisis.

In other words they have to KNOW HOW TO DO SOMETHING!!!!

The people in charge of New Orleans and Louisiana are there to take up space and scam money.. they don't know how to do sh#t. They don't have the first clue and have the same deer in the headlights look that a green big mouth 2nd Lieutenant has in his first ambush.

"HOLY CRAP!!".... people are dying... just like "they said would happen"

..... well guess what mayor?? Guess what Governor??? Time to earn your f###ing paycheck. Quit whining, get a cup of coffee, toothbrush, and plan on having a crappy year... cause this is gonna be a bad one....or get out of the way and let men of action do the work while you sit on your a@# and place the blame, make excuses and criticize.

244 posted on 09/01/2005 8:00:39 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Artemis Webb

On one thread I read today an article was posted (somewhere on the thread) of the "sensitivity training" the chief of police took so he and the other NO cops could "understand" and "be sensitive" to all the Muslims in NO.

Of course I have no idea which article/thread it was on.

It was in June of this year. There was more crap posted about the police department that will further boil your blood.

This was a doomed city before Katrina started forming on the other side of the Atlantic.


246 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: usmcobra
WALK WEST ON I-10

I've been saying that for 2 days ... do they have so little initiative that they can't put their feet in motion?

I agree with most of what else you say too. The media has been disgusting in continuing and playing up the misery. How do you think those media prima donnas get their food and water? They drive out every night and come back the next day.

Semper Fi

247 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:14 PM PDT by fnord (The French are like slinkies; basically worthless, but fun to watch if you push them down the stairs)
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To: sandbar

How are the buses getting through if the highway is flooded?

Airdrops work best if you aren't dropping them into water, or on to the tops of houses.


248 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:18 PM PDT by usmcobra
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To: chris1

Talk to your local press about that! Make them act! You are the power!


249 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:49 PM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma, I challenge everyone, get the word out now! Take people to your communties and help!)
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To: chris1
I understand all that about New York City, but there are a couple of important things to remember here . . .

1. The 9/11 disaster was the result of an act of war on the United States. No matter how chaotic things may have been, from a psychological standpoint this simple fact made people far less likely to act out in a violent manner against their fellow citizens than if it had been a natural disaster. Since 9/11 I've worked on a number of high-level security and evacuation planning efforts for the New York region, and right in the middle of one of these projects we had a chance to see a large-scale evacuation effort at work -- during the blackout of August 2003. In the aftermath of that blackout we did a pretty detailed assessment of the situation and compared it to 9/11 (because the evacuation process was somewhat similar, and because similar mass transit assets were out of service). The results were very interesting, but in retrospect they are not surprising . . . evacuees from Manhattan on 9/11 were downright cooperative and docile as lambs, while the lack of cooperation and level of hostility among the evacuees in the blackout aftermath was very tangible. On 9/11, people were angry -- at the bastards who destroyed the World Trade Center. In August of 2003, these people were also angry -- at the nameless, faceless, incompetent people (the proverbial "they" that you hear about so often in New Orleans these days) who "must be responsible for this huge inconvenience."

2. The 9/11 attacks also occurred in the financial capital of the world, and most of those who were directly affected by it would probably have more of an "upper class" mindset (at the risk of sounding snobby, I know) than your typical victim in New Orleans. If the 9/11 attacks had occurred in Bedford-Stuyvesant or East New York, I wonder if the crowd behavior would have been different.

250 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
You've both been knocking Bush for what he HASN'T done.

We made one remark about the uselessness of talk in this situation. The news bears that out. If you feel so offended that the Pres. might possibly be criticized (and it is stretching things to call it criticism of him in particular) then that's your problem. The criticism is simply that talk won't cut it here and the reality of the situation bears that out. The very simple point is that someone, whoever it is that has the authority, (doesn't someone?) needs to give a 'shoot to kill' order. That is all there is to it.

Disengage your emotions for a minute and you might see that.

251 posted on 09/01/2005 8:02:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (BBQ is the answer.)
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To: sandbar
The military has let NO down. IMO. Period.

These are your words, correct?

252 posted on 09/01/2005 8:04:01 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: Darksheare
But you already did whine about how you are being treated. Your response to my suggestion that you knock it off:

Isn't that in reality a response to a threat not a response to how I was being treated? A threat you have no ability to carry out to boot.

253 posted on 09/01/2005 8:04:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (BBQ is the answer.)
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To: RoseD
Get in your cars and drive in to bring someone out!

Are you trying to get people killed or arrested?! Please don't urge others to do illegal and dangerous things. If it was just a matter of hopping in a vehicle, don't you think the Red Cross and Salvation Army would be in there? They CAN'T get in. It's flooded. The roads are barricaded by Natl' Guard.

I challenge you to demand your government shut down the schools and send in their buses to bring the victims into your communities.

They HAD buses. They could have gotten their own people out. They chose to tempt fate.


254 posted on 09/01/2005 8:04:50 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Police Chief Eddie Compass said he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly driven back by an angry mob. "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten,'' Compass said. ``Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.''

Well Eddie, if the situation is that dire (which it most certainly is) then whyinthehell did your officers allow an angry mob to drive them back? Have they been issued firearms? If so, then I strongly suspect that few well placed shots would effectively disperse that "angry mob" and allow your officers to restore order and save innocent people's lives.

So, Eddie, do you have either the brains or the balls to do what needs to be done?

255 posted on 09/01/2005 8:04:59 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: sandbar
>>> What Govt have we toppled in a matter of days with NO planning?>>>

So what you are saying is that all the money spent on Homeland Security is a big fat waste unless the Muslim Terrorist give a few days warning of an attack?

No. I'm saying that your analogy about toppling a "govt" is a poor one.

And in any case there is no such thing as always being totally prepared for the unknown, no matter how much you spend.

256 posted on 09/01/2005 8:05:15 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: antaresequity

>>> Plenty of Blame to go Around my A$$, unless you have connection with God...Dust in the Wind...>>>

Noone is blaming the government for the Hurricane, well, maybe Germany.

What we are blaming is for the leaving them to the wind AFTERward.


257 posted on 09/01/2005 8:05:44 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: gregwest
It's not so much "dignity" as it is a sense of self-reliance. That's what's missing in this whole disaster.

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self-reliance -- the magic word!

How many scenes have you seen with bunches of folks sitting on their fat butts and whining that "Nobody ain't brought me no water for three whole days!"?

And how many scenes have you seen where someone has built a debris fire and boiled a big pot of water so that they -- and those around them -- could have a sterilized drink?

No self-reliance -- and no sense of community. Behold the virtues of the slavery of the "nanny entitlement state"!

258 posted on 09/01/2005 8:06:04 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: sandbar

I am surprised you see no connection between liberal policies and the mayhem occuring.

Liberalism means "it's not your fault", "you've been oppressed by the evil white oppressors", "you're entitled", "we'll take care of your fatherless children", "drug addiction is an illness and here's your methadone", "we'll increase your foodstamps", etc etc etc. Add to that a completely corrupt city and state government who stay in power by keeping an underclass helpless, and a corrupt bunch of cops and the result is what we see before our eyes.

Obviously there are innocent people suffering terribly. But they would not be suffering as much if public policy had been very different.

BTW, food and water were delivered both before and after the hurricane. And now it is difficult to get in supplies because fiends in human form are shooting at those trying to help. You think they're shooting just because they're hungry and thirsty? If you were hungry and thirsty would you try to kill those who are trying to help you?


259 posted on 09/01/2005 8:06:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Alberta's Child

I was amazed at how well everyone acted during the blackout.

We get a lot of flack from people, but NY'ers do not react like others typically do. I.E., sports teams victories never result in looting etc etc.

My biggest beef is also with the mentality of the low lifes who porbably could have really helped this situation by moving people along rather than just making it worse. I guess if you have a population like this, it makes it harder. no to blame these people, but they are not making it easier.


260 posted on 09/01/2005 8:06:33 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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