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America and Venezuela

Posted on 09/01/2005 12:14:36 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains

I know I am going to get slammed for this, but why shouldn't we improve our relations with Venezuela? I was just out driving and Citgo gas is 22 cents lower than everyone else! I've never seen the place so crowded.

I know Chavez is a socialist, but if we are suppossed to hate all socialist countries, then we will have to go to war with most of our "allies" like France, Germany, Mexico, and Canada. I'm sorry for all the middle class Venezuelans Chavez has impoverished, but frankly, its not our problem. If they hate him so bad, overthrow him and stop whining about it. The sad fact is that the lower classes apparently love the guy, and they make up the majority of the population.

The guy is not Ho Chi Minh, Joe Stalin, Nikita Khrushchev, or even Fidel Castro. He is not starving millions of Venezuelan peasents by taking their wheat. Has poverty increased in his country since he took power? Because if it has, no one is reporting it.

He is not stoning women to death and teaching little Venezuelans to be suicide bombers and kill Christians and Jews. He is running his country better than the entire Arab Middle East. I know that isn't saying much, but it should be acknowledged. Am I the only one who is bothered by our President taking photo-ops with Saudi anti-semites who spit on us and want to enslave us in the long run?

I still support the War on Terror and taking out Saddam. Why? Even though Saddam's Baath Party was nominally socialist like Chavez's, it was completely anti-American. We all know Saddam was trying to get nuclear weapons, and all the sanctimonious decrees of liberal bloggers won't convince me otherwise. But Chavez is NOT insane enough to launch nuclear weapons at us, and if we cooperate more with him, he won't be as anti-American as Saddam.

I voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000 and still know that he is better than that European suck up and windbag John Kerry and that ecofreak Al Gore. But other people aren't going to feel this way forever. New Orleans being destroyed and its aftermath are worse than a thousand Cindy Sheehans. If conservatives think that the voters care more about saving Jane Smith's fetus than saving hundreds of dollars a year in gas prices, they will lose in 2008, maybe even 2006. Maybe Republicans won't vote for the next Democratic babykiller/athiest Presidential candidate, but they might just stay home anyway.

Whew...ok, I'm done. Now assure me I am just being pessimistic. I hope you are right.


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To: Democratshavenobrains

Chavez as a communist is the least of what he is. He dreams of being a nuclear power and going head to head with the US. Think Stalin or Hitler, and you've got a handle on Chavez.


21 posted on 09/01/2005 12:37:46 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Democratshavenobrains
I say we finally do what every other country always accuses us of doing. Take over the country, and nation build.
22 posted on 09/01/2005 12:38:38 PM PDT by b4its2late (He who laughs last thinks slowest.)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

Thank you for describing Chavez to a 'T'.


23 posted on 09/01/2005 12:39:11 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Here's a clue. We don't hate him, he hates us. You might as well ask, "Why don't black people improve their relations with the Klan?"


24 posted on 09/01/2005 12:43:33 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Has anyone suggested that we just take him out? Thought I heard something about that recently


25 posted on 09/01/2005 12:44:29 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: hershey

He can dream about it all he wants. Unless he takes over all of South America, he won't be anywhere near as bad as Hitler or Stalin were. If it is a choice between enriching Venezuela or enriching Wahabbi barbarians, I know which side I'm on. No Republican has the balls to make this country energy independent anymore, so we will have to import the oil from somewhere. I know the guy is Castro's boyfriend, but the bearded one isn't going to be around much longer.


26 posted on 09/01/2005 12:46:46 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

If Socialism is slavery (I agree with Communism) then most of the world is under slavery. Including most of NATO. And we still pretend to be chummy with them. We even pretend to by chummy with outright dictatorships like the kingdoms in the Middle East. Chavez is a small fish compared to them. He isn't using his oil funds to build giant palaces to himself or import sex slaves. I know he isn't the kind Daddy Warbucks the lefties portray, but he isn't Arafat either.


27 posted on 09/01/2005 12:59:26 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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choice between enriching Venezuela or enriching Wahabbi barbarians

Hmmm...I think you put that very succinctly.

28 posted on 09/01/2005 1:19:30 PM PDT by badbass
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To: Democratshavenobrains
If this is true, then the media should report it. They aren't. I'd like to see the proof. Names, dates etc. The average person isn't going to dig around the internet for it.

Here you go:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/814934/posts

All as you requested. Google for more, you'll be sickened.

29 posted on 09/01/2005 1:20:46 PM PDT by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Chavez is making deals with the Chinese to buy all his oil
and dry up the US supply...

This guy would not only rejoice over a defeated and enslaved America.

He is actively working toward that very goal...

imo


30 posted on 09/01/2005 1:21:08 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: b4its2late

You said, "I say we finally do what every other country always accuses us of doing. Take over the country, and nation build." I presume you are referring to LA.


31 posted on 09/01/2005 1:24:04 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Crush T Velour
What do you think we are doing to make things so bad for poor ol' Chavez? Perhaps we ought to do something. I doubt it. But I don't think we are doing anything.

Exactly, there is only one person in this little tiff, and it's Chavez and whatever other voices he hears.

32 posted on 09/01/2005 1:48:22 PM PDT by RJL
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